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    A revolution? Well, they did it wrong ... people killed cops and themselves

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-a-revolution/

    The two suspects then left the restaurant and went to a Wal-Mart across the street, shot and killed a third victim, then fatally shot each other, KLAS said.


    Unknown why they did this ... perhaps more info later.

    hard to keep a revolution going when you shoot yourself...just saying.
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    Tragic day when one cannot eat lunch without being EXECUTED! Or Shop at WM without being killed.

    Don't know WHY they then turned the guns on themselves but they saved the Las Vegas Citizen's a boat load of money.
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    We need a new law...when police are eating lunch the restruant is closed.

    On the news they showed multiple police at the scene crying.

    Weird, I have never seen police crying at the scene of an unarmed citizen being shot and killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    We need a new law...when police are eating lunch the restruant is closed.

    On the news they showed multiple police at the scene crying.

    Weird, I have never seen police crying at the scene of an unarmed citizen being shot and killed.
    I don't know... Maybe they KNEW to guys dead? Like coworkers... Hung out with them? Know their families personally?

    No different then any other person grieving for a friend/coworker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I don't know... Maybe they KNEW to guys dead? Like coworkers... Hung out with them? Know their families personally?

    No different then any other person grieving for a friend/coworker.
    too bad the shooters didn't just surrender.

    I would have given them a two week vacation and some additional training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    too bad the shooters didn't just surrender.

    I would have given them a two week vacation and some additional training.
    I'm sure the female victim in Walmart would have approved. And her family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'm sure the female victim in Walmart would have approved. And her family.

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    approved of what ?

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    We need to ban assault couples.

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    I guess its true....if you open carry then criminals will target you.

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    Before this gets too off topic:
    Anyone else thinking about how this will be spun by the antis BEFORE all the facts are even out?
    (I was going to say: "before the bodies of the victims even grew cold", which may be considered a valid argument, but may have seemed a little distasteful).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    Before this gets too off topic:
    Anyone else thinking about how this will be spun by the antis BEFORE all the facts are even out?
    (I was going to say: "before the bodies of the victims even grew cold", which may be considered a valid argument, but may have seemed a little distasteful).
    no spin needed.

    the anti's want to ban and the pro's don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    no spin needed.

    the anti's want to ban and the pro's don't.
    +1

    They'll say .. "look another shooting"

    And others will say "look another shooting!"

    And I say .. "did it change the wording of the 2nd amendment or change my natural rights at all?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    +1

    And I say .. "did it change the wording of the 2nd amendment or change my natural rights at all?"
    Exactly. Until someone rewrites the 2nd Amendment then its all just noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    no spin needed.

    the anti's want to ban and the pro's don't.
    I'm almost willing to bet they'll say "if only guns were banned there, none of this would have happened". Never mind the fact that laws already BAN murder, or that criminals by definition do not obey the law.
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    too bad the shooters didn't just surrender.

    I would have given them a two week vacation and some additional training.
    This certainly seems not only NOT appropriate but also easily construed as LEO bashing or encouraging UNLAWFUL ACTION!

    ETA: I am certainly HOPING there is ANOTHER way to take this comment by NosePicker other than the one apparent to me. If so, PLEASE clarify!
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    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    This certainly seems not only NOT appropriate but also easily construed as LEO bashing or encouraging UNLAWFUL ACTION!
    Wow... Well said. +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    This certainly seems not only NOT appropriate but also easily construed as LEO bashing or encouraging UNLAWFUL ACTION!

    ETA: I am certainly HOPING there is ANOTHER way to take this comment by NosePicker other than the one apparent to me. If so, PLEASE clarify!
    how do you know the state of mind of the shooters ? wait until the investigation is complete. maybe the victims made movements that were construed by the shooters as threatening.

    the victims were armed with guns and are known to be part of a group that often shoots unarmed people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    how do you know the state of mind of the shooters ? wait until the investigation is complete. maybe the victims made movements that were construed by the shooters as threatening.

    the victims were armed with guns and are known to be part of a group that often shoots unarmed people.
    You have NOT given me another way to take your original comment which has been reported. That type of comment is NOT what the founders of this forum are about and does violate certain rules imposed by said owners/founders.

    I am done with you.
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    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post

    I am done with you.
    Geez, don't cry Sparky.

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    http://journalofamadman.com/killing-...revolutionary/

    http://www.odmp.org/search/year

    If you don't want to stand behind them, feel free to stand in front of them while they practice at the range. I mean you might be of lesser quality than a paper target but I'm sure they will manage to hit their mark.
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    It seems to me just having two people in your group is a hard way to make a revolution happen.

    I would like to see any manifesto that these two left behind and what type of revolution they were trying to start.

    Patrol officers are way down on the scale of persons to attack if one is planning a revolution. But they are the most visible and attainable.

    It takes a lot more planning and skill to go after targets of higher value.

    By the out come these two didn't process the necessary intelligent to start and organize a proper revolution.
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    These two suspects look to be... not stable. Apparently regularly dressing up as the Joker/Harley Quinn and the slender man. The two appear to have been outspoken anti-government types. :/
    http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Las-Veg...262330321.html


    The bystander's name appears to be Joseph Robert Wilcox, according to coroner reports here in town.
    http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Coroner...262385641.html
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    Tough situation for the families. My prayers.

    Let us hope that local law enforcement does not become overly sensitive and itchy.

    The backgrounds of these two will be known soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    I guess its true....if you open carry then criminals will target you.
    The officers form of carry had NOTHING to do with being targets. Think about it. If you're one of these nut jobs that want to do a killing spree, you find a large group of unarmed people. However, if you go to the location, find a POLICE SQUAD CAR, and then find UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS having lunch inside the nearby restaurant, knowing they will IMMEDIATELY intervene, and thwart your plans of genocide, what do you do? Obviously, you take out your threats. In this instance, if there were OCers/CCers eating, this more than likely wouldn't have gone down this way. Why? Because the OCer/CCer wear plain civilian clothes. Furthermore, they don't drive police vehicles that stand out in a sea of other multicolored parked cars in a parking lot. The shooters would have just proceeded to Walmart and started the spree...until the OCers/CCers got whiff of the situation and intervened. And the OCers/CCers would have saved the day!

    Unfortunately, there were NO armed citizens to stop the madness (see report http://news.yahoo.com/five-dead-las-...213257183.html ). However, the police did arrive in a timely fashion and engaged the psychos. One psycho murdered by his accomplice and then the accomplice committing suicide.

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    Well expect to see this tonight on MSM.


    Jerad Miller in interview at Bundy Ranch, 41 second mark.

    BREAKING!!! Harry Reid Tells News The Bundy Battle Isn't Over!!!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6b2y9jVkAo


    These "people" are being described as "Tea Party". This will aid in the ramp up on combating the new "domestic terrorists".



    This smells of set up.

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