Political correctness has nothing to do with it.
Our INTENT is to stop. We just use "deadly force" to do it, and it may kill, but would be justified if it did.
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CCW holder killed in the Las Vegas shooting
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Political correctness has nothing to do with it.
Our INTENT is to stop. We just use "deadly force" to do it, and it may kill, but would be justified if it did.
Primus
Regular Member
Well said. Difference between aggressor and victim/defender.
"I shot him in the face because I was scared" is different then "I drew and shot center mass to stop him from attacking me"
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()pen(arry
Regular Member
You've completely misunderstood. There was nothing politically correct about what I said. Only a sociopath has the objective of killing. The purpose of employing deadly force is to stop the offense or threat of offense against liberty, when justified. Whether the offender dies as a result of the deadly force is a curious detail of the incident.
I think you need to reevaluate your purpose for carrying. It sounds like you might harbor a vigilante fantasy. Go in front of a jury (and if you kill someone, even in self-defense, you will) and they'll crucify you for your attitude.
MSG Laigaie
Campaign Veteran
This is easy for you to say. This is not always as easy to live with. Defending yourself is vital, but taking a life has repercussions that last years and years. The legal system will take you for a ride first if you have not been injured. After that it will be your heart/brain that will have to deal with a death. I hear a lot of people saying "I will kill" but not any who have said "I have killed". I do not recommend looking for the experience, training will win out at the end of the day and you may survive, but it will come with baggage.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Seriona
Regular Member
"Death is like a shadow, it follows the body everywhere."
()pen(arry
Regular Member
I presume you were speaking to Seriona?
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
"Past performance does not predict future performance/results."
But yeah, most bravado spouting internet dudes have no idea the consequences: legal or emotional.
Grim_Night
Regular Member
Thanks MSG for stating this. This is exactly how I feel. I personally hope that I will never have to take the life of another, but if it comes down to protecting myself or somebody I care about from harm, I *hope* I can muster up the courage and do what is needed. The big question is what will I do afterwards... I know that it will change my life.
acmariner99
Regular Member
My sentiment has been that I could live with the consequences of using force if I had to more than the consequences of doing nothing - lesser of two evils if I ever heard it. Of course that is not a sentiment I wish to test.
I've also thought that I'd be more afraid of the aftermath than the incident itself.
JoeSparky
Centurion
As a poster on another firearms rights State forum has said--- Not an exact quote but I believe it is close enough to convey his feelings on this topic.
"I will only use potentially deadly force when the possible consequences of life in prison and or bankruptcy is WORSE than the consequences of DOING nothing."
Personally, as has been posted earllier---
I hope to never be forced to take actions that may potentially end the mortal existence of another. I mentioned this just 2 days ago at HOME DEPOT to a store employee who thanked me for carrying. I truly hope I can carry my firearm/defensive tool for 20 years or more and never need it. But, I'll rue the day I actually do need it and don't have it.
"I will only use potentially deadly force when the possible consequences of life in prison and or bankruptcy is WORSE than the consequences of DOING nothing."
Personally, as has been posted earllier---
I hope to never be forced to take actions that may potentially end the mortal existence of another. I mentioned this just 2 days ago at HOME DEPOT to a store employee who thanked me for carrying. I truly hope I can carry my firearm/defensive tool for 20 years or more and never need it. But, I'll rue the day I actually do need it and don't have it.
kparker
Regular Member
shooting in the ceiling was not a threat
That's the dumbest statement I've read all week. OF COURSE it was a threat.
That's the dumbest statement I've read all week. OF COURSE it was a threat.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Yea a threat to the ceiling...:lol::lol::lol:
Ajetpilot
Regular Member
kparker
Regular Member
With all due respect... ... ... a guy in a large retail store, misbehaving with a firearm by discharging it? Darn right any reasonable person would view that as a threat.
JoeSparky
Centurion
And what about anyone in the upper floor above that ceiling that has just been threatened?
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kparker
Regular Member
Too late for them! :-(
davidmcbeth
Banned
Anytime I am shooting at someone, I intend on killing them....not "wing them". I think if accomplished then most of the time the threat would be taken care of.
I think everyone would try to kill a threat when they discharge a firearm at someone.
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
I really don't want to speculate what I would do because I've never been in gun battle, I can't really honestly say what I would do, I would like to think I would intervene...
To address another poster, one should always maintain SA. But my guess is the armed woman was out of left field...... I think a lot of men underestimate women's ability to be a threat.....
Shooting anywhere in a retail store, other then say like the indoor shooting lanes at bass pro shop or something like that, is a threat.....
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