Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 82

Thread: CC Instructor "what ifs" me

  1. #1
    Regular Member ron73440's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Suffolk VA
    Posts
    477

    CC Instructor "what ifs" me

    I went to the S&D gun show in New Bern, NC on Saturday, I hate to disarm for a gun show but my sons really wanted to go.

    There were some nice guns and accessories there and the usual group of booths. I entered a few raffles and bought both of my boys a knife.

    One booth had a raffle for a free CC class and when the guy asked me if I wanted to enter, the conversation went like this:

    Me: No, I carry open and don't want a permit
    CC'er: Really, well what if the you go to CVS and the minimum wage worker freaks?
    Me: I'll leave and contact management
    CC'er: What if she calls the cops? (starting to get himself hyped up about something)
    Me: Not breaking the law
    CC'er: What if he doesn't know that and takes you to jail?
    Me: I'll sue their asses
    CC'er: well you be careful, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me
    Me: I am, never had a problem(as I'm walking away, no patience for this)

    It struck me as strange that a legal activity that doesn't affect him at all was such a big deal. He was a little agitated when he got into the "what if" scenario, but it could have been worse, I thought he was going to start with the "you'll be the first guy shot" thing.

    My kids thought it was funny especially after I put it into the "two types of people"* discussion.

    It was funny to me because I've seen these types of discussions on here, but this was my first experience in real life.

    *There are two types of people, the ones who want to be left alone and the others who refuse to leave them alone. I always try to stay in the first group, but a lot of people jump back and forth depending on the issue at hand.(drugs, healthcare, guns, religous freedom and so on)
    If it doesn't hurt anyone else I believe there is no reason to join the second group.
    Last edited by ron73440; 06-15-2014 at 11:36 AM.
    What I told my wife when she said my steel Baby Eagle .45 was heavy, "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it doesn't work you could always hit him with it."-Boris the Blade

    MOLON LABE

  2. #2
    Campaign Veteran skidmark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    North Chesterfield VA
    Posts
    10,682
    The permission slip is his rice bowl. http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=Rice+Bowl

    And disarming to go into a gun show has always amused me. Walk in totally disarmed. Stop off and buy a gun (or three). Head for the magazine guy's table. Then to the ammo dealers (no matter how overpriced they are, you are probably going to pick up at least one box, amirite?). Then to the holster vendors. Et voila! Armed!

    And let's not forget the knives and machetes and kukris and bayonets and phoney katanas.

    A guy, in 15 minutes (if the background check is slow) can go from nada to Mommys Demanding Attention's worst nightmare.

    stay safe.
    "He'll regret it to his dying day....if ever he lives that long."----The Quiet Man

    Because stupidity isn't a race, and everybody can win.

    "No matter how much contempt you have for the media in all this, you don't have enough"
    ----Allahpundit

  3. #3
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713
    His reasons to get a permit sounded pretty lame...

    But one potentially not lame reason to get a CC permit is so that you can still legally carry in places your son might convince you to go that ban open carry.
    Last edited by Felid`Maximus; 06-15-2014 at 02:53 PM.

  4. #4
    Regular Member ron73440's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Suffolk VA
    Posts
    477
    Skidmark, I agree it's pretty stupid, but it makes people feel better and that's what really matters.

    Felid`Maximus, I just can't bring myself to ask permission on account of OC not being allowed, if you don't like OC, you don't like my money. I make an exception for the gun show because it counts as being educational and helps keep their interest in guns and freedom.
    What I told my wife when she said my steel Baby Eagle .45 was heavy, "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it doesn't work you could always hit him with it."-Boris the Blade

    MOLON LABE

  5. #5
    Regular Member WalkingWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    12,273
    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    Skidmark, I agree it's pretty stupid, but it makes people feel better and that's what really matters.

    Felid`Maximus, I just can't bring myself to ask permission on account of OC not being allowed, if you don't like OC, you don't like my money. I make an exception for the gun show because it counts as being educational and helps keep their interest in guns and freedom.
    And unlike the restaurants and coffee shops that have asked not to carry, the gun show provides armed security.
    It is well that war is so terrible otherwise we would grow too fond of it.
    Robert E. Lee
    The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth.
    Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
    What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.
    President Donald Trump

  6. #6
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  7. #7
    Regular Member WalkingWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    12,273
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?
    His IQ goes up?
    It is well that war is so terrible otherwise we would grow too fond of it.
    Robert E. Lee
    The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth.
    Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
    What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.
    President Donald Trump

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?
    At least his gun would get scratched .

  9. #9
    Regular Member solus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    here nc
    Posts
    6,865
    i have a shiny dollar the gentleman you had the conversation with was LE ~ active or retired who feels their perception is the only one, basically an opinionated arse.

    I personally have attended both, but never appreciated the NB gun show put on by S&D gun shows who also sponsors the Goldsboro's show held in the NG armory ...

    ipse
    I'm only human; I do what I can; I'm just a man; I do what I can; Don't put the blame on me; Don't put your blame on me ~ Rag'n'Bone Man.

    Please do not get confused between my personality & my attitude. My personality is who I am ~ my attitude depends on who you are and how you act.

    Remember always, do not judge someone because they sin differently than you do!

    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

  10. #10
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    His IQ goes up?

    Oh damn that was funny!
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  11. #11
    Regular Member ron73440's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Suffolk VA
    Posts
    477
    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    i have a shiny dollar the gentleman you had the conversation with was LE ~ active or retired who feels their perception is the only one, basically an opinionated arse.

    I personally have attended both, but never appreciated the NB gun show put on by S&D gun shows who also sponsors the Goldsboro's show held in the NG armory ...

    ipse
    Could've been, I had no desire to inquire further.

    On the bright side he was the only negative in a fun afternoon of guy time for me and my sons.
    What I told my wife when she said my steel Baby Eagle .45 was heavy, "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it doesn't work you could always hit him with it."-Boris the Blade

    MOLON LABE

  12. #12
    Regular Member ron73440's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Suffolk VA
    Posts
    477
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?
    I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

    I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.
    What I told my wife when she said my steel Baby Eagle .45 was heavy, "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it doesn't work you could always hit him with it."-Boris the Blade

    MOLON LABE

  13. #13
    Regular Member OC for ME's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    White Oak Plantation
    Posts
    12,270
    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

    I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.
    What if NC goes constitutional carry? You'd be out of a "job."

    I always "what if" the CC Industrial Complex minions.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

  14. #14
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

    I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.

    Yep, but they want to pretend only their what if matters.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Tempe, Arizona
    Posts
    189

    It's their living

    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    It struck me as strange that a legal activity that doesn't affect him at all was such a big deal. He was a little agitated when he got into the "what if" scenario, but it could have been worse, I thought he was going to start with the "you'll be the first guy shot" thing.
    It's their living. I've met a few CC instructors here in AZ that think OC is just fine, or routinely do so themselves. AZ is a constitutional carry state though and has always had OC since back when it was a territory. When your livelihood depends on something, you tend to think it is a good or necessary thing.
    Last edited by PeterNSteinmetz; 06-17-2014 at 07:19 PM.

  16. #16
    Regular Member papa bear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    mayberry, nc
    Posts
    2,258
    good job in the way you handled it. i know you had some why didn't i say this moments. but i think you did OK
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    "guns are like a Parachute, if you don't have one when you need it, you will not need one again"
    - unknown

    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

  17. #17
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    good job in the way you handled it. i know you had some why didn't i say this moments. but i think you did OK
    +1 hindsight is 20/20 and even if you practiced a good thing to say there still is no guarantee your brain will support you when thrust into the limelight.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  18. #18
    Regular Member tomrkba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    128
    Quote Originally Posted by Felid`Maximus View Post
    His reasons to get a permit sounded pretty lame...

    But one potentially not lame reason to get a CC permit is so that you can still legally carry in places your son might convince you to go that ban open carry.

    That, and some gun laws "go away" with the permit. Examples from some states include state level background checks, car carry, vehicle storage requirements, handgun purchase limits, etc.

    Also keep in mind the permit protects you from the Federal 1,000 foot school zone law.
    Last edited by tomrkba; 06-18-2014 at 09:00 AM.

  19. #19
    Regular Member MontanaResident's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    160
    I'm increasingly of the opinion, that nobody knows the laws about firearms. They are to contradictory, vary from one place to another, OC vs CC, public perceptoin, personal biases. Only if you are arrested and prosecuted will you finally know what the law was, where you were arrested and at the date and time of your arrest. Til then carry on and good luck.

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Posts
    460
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    His IQ goes up?
    and the meteor's IQ goes down...

  21. #21
    Regular Member DocWalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Mountain Home, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    1,968
    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

    I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.
    When they start with the "what if's" I say "what if I stop talking to you" (as I walk away)....lol

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Cincy area, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    888
    I realize this aspect gets explained frequently but will do so again for anybody new to "our" table here: Gun shows promoters are very unlikely to run events without carrying insurance. The one company that supposedly writes the majority of those policies across the USA puts the "No loaded guns" stipulation in the paperwork, not much the show's operator can do about that.

  23. #23
    Campaign Veteran MAC702's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Nevada
    Posts
    6,520
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    ...The one company that supposedly writes the majority of those policies across the USA puts the "No loaded guns" stipulation in the paperwork...
    Because it's the company that writes the cheapest?
    "It's not important how many people I've killed. What's important is how I get along with the people who are still alive" - Jimmy the Tulip

  24. #24
    Regular Member ron73440's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Suffolk VA
    Posts
    477
    Quote Originally Posted by tomrkba View Post
    That, and some gun laws "go away" with the permit. Examples from some states include state level background checks, car carry, vehicle storage requirements, handgun purchase limits, etc.

    Also keep in mind the permit protects you from the Federal 1,000 foot school zone law.
    In NC with a permit I can CC into a restaurant that serves alcohol, so I don't go to those places.

    I carry everywhere I go except on base where I work

    I refuse to ask permission to carry since I live in a state where vehicle OC is legal.

    When I retire from the service I will be looking for work in states where permits are not required for OC first, and if I have to I will move where a permit is required, that is the only situation where I could see myself getting a permit.
    What I told my wife when she said my steel Baby Eagle .45 was heavy, "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it doesn't work you could always hit him with it."-Boris the Blade

    MOLON LABE

  25. #25
    Regular Member DocWalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Mountain Home, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    1,968
    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    In NC with a permit I can CC into a restaurant that serves alcohol, so I don't go to those places.

    I carry everywhere I go except on base where I work

    I refuse to ask permission to carry since I live in a state where vehicle OC is legal.

    When I retire from the service I will be looking for work in states where permits are not required for OC first, and if I have to I will move where a permit is required, that is the only situation where I could see myself getting a permit.
    Try Idaho....it is awsome

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •