CC Instructor "what ifs" me

I went to the S&D gun show in New Bern, NC on Saturday, I hate to disarm for a gun show but my sons really wanted to go.

There were some nice guns and accessories there and the usual group of booths. I entered a few raffles and bought both of my boys a knife.

One booth had a raffle for a free CC class and when the guy asked me if I wanted to enter, the conversation went like this:

Me: No, I carry open and don't want a permit
CC'er: Really, well what if the you go to CVS and the minimum wage worker freaks?
Me: I'll leave and contact management
CC'er: What if she calls the cops? (starting to get himself hyped up about something)
Me: Not breaking the law
CC'er: What if he doesn't know that and takes you to jail?
Me: I'll sue their asses
CC'er: well you be careful, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me
Me: I am, never had a problem(as I'm walking away, no patience for this)

It struck me as strange that a legal activity that doesn't affect him at all was such a big deal. He was a little agitated when he got into the "what if" scenario, but it could have been worse, I thought he was going to start with the "you'll be the first guy shot" thing.

My kids thought it was funny especially after I put it into the "two types of people"* discussion.

It was funny to me because I've seen these types of discussions on here, but this was my first experience in real life.

*There are two types of people, the ones who want to be left alone and the others who refuse to leave them alone. I always try to stay in the first group, but a lot of people jump back and forth depending on the issue at hand.(drugs, healthcare, guns, religous freedom and so on)
If it doesn't hurt anyone else I believe there is no reason to join the second group.

The permission slip is his rice bowl. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rice+Bowl

And disarming to go into a gun show has always amused me. Walk in totally disarmed. Stop off and buy a gun (or three). Head for the magazine guy's table. Then to the ammo dealers (no matter how overpriced they are, you are probably going to pick up at least one box, amirite?). Then to the holster vendors. Et voila! Armed!

And let's not forget the knives and machetes and kukris and bayonets and phoney katanas.

A guy, in 15 minutes (if the background check is slow) can go from nada to Mommys Demanding Attention's worst nightmare.:shocker: :banana::monkey

stay safe.

His reasons to get a permit sounded pretty lame...

But one potentially not lame reason to get a CC permit is so that you can still legally carry in places your son might convince you to go that ban open carry.

Skidmark, I agree it's pretty stupid, but it makes people feel better and that's what really matters.

Felid`Maximus, I just can't bring myself to ask permission on account of OC not being allowed, if you don't like OC, you don't like my money. I make an exception for the gun show because it counts as being educational and helps keep their interest in guns and freedom.

ron73440 said:

Skidmark, I agree it's pretty stupid, but it makes people feel better and that's what really matters.

Felid`Maximus, I just can't bring myself to ask permission on account of OC not being allowed, if you don't like OC, you don't like my money. I make an exception for the gun show because it counts as being educational and helps keep their interest in guns and freedom.

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And unlike the restaurants and coffee shops that have asked not to carry, the gun show provides armed security.

What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?

sudden valley gunner said:

What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?

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His IQ goes up?

sudden valley gunner said:

What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?

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At least his gun would get scratched .

i have a shiny dollar the gentleman you had the conversation with was LE ~ active or retired who feels their perception is the only one, basically an opinionated arse.

I personally have attended both, but never appreciated the NB gun show put on by S&D gun shows who also sponsors the Goldsboro's show held in the NG armory ...

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WalkingWolf said:

His IQ goes up?

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Oh damn that was funny! :lol:

solus said:

i have a shiny dollar the gentleman you had the conversation with was LE ~ active or retired who feels their perception is the only one, basically an opinionated arse.

I personally have attended both, but never appreciated the NB gun show put on by S&D gun shows who also sponsors the Goldsboro's show held in the NG armory ...

ipse

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Could've been, I had no desire to inquire further.

On the bright side he was the only negative in a fun afternoon of guy time for me and my sons.

sudden valley gunner said:

What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?

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I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.

ron73440 said:

I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.

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What if NC goes constitutional carry? You'd be out of a "job."

I always "what if" the CC Industrial Complex minions.

ron73440 said:

I guess I could have "what if'ed" him back: What if your CC pistol prints and the clerk freaks because you're being sneaky?

I'll bet he thinks the reason I didn't engage with him is I had no answer for his completely logical and well thought out questions.

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Yep, but they want to pretend only their what if matters.

It's their living

ron73440 said:

It struck me as strange that a legal activity that doesn't affect him at all was such a big deal. He was a little agitated when he got into the "what if" scenario, but it could have been worse, I thought he was going to start with the "you'll be the first guy shot" thing.

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It's their living. I've met a few CC instructors here in AZ that think OC is just fine, or routinely do so themselves. AZ is a constitutional carry state though and has always had OC since back when it was a territory. When your livelihood depends on something, you tend to think it is a good or necessary thing.

good job in the way you handled it. i know you had some why didn't i say this moments. but i think you did OK

papa bear said:

good job in the way you handled it. i know you had some why didn't i say this moments. but i think you did OK

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+1 hindsight is 20/20 and even if you practiced a good thing to say there still is no guarantee your brain will support you when thrust into the limelight.

Felid`Maximus said:

His reasons to get a permit sounded pretty lame...

But one potentially not lame reason to get a CC permit is so that you can still legally carry in places your son might convince you to go that ban open carry.

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That, and some gun laws "go away" with the permit. Examples from some states include state level background checks, car carry, vehicle storage requirements, handgun purchase limits, etc.

Also keep in mind the permit protects you from the Federal 1,000 foot school zone law.

I'm increasingly of the opinion, that nobody knows the laws about firearms. They are to contradictory, vary from one place to another, OC vs CC, public perceptoin, personal biases. Only if you are arrested and prosecuted will you finally know what the law was, where you were arrested and at the date and time of your arrest. Til then carry on and good luck.

sudden valley gunner said:

What if a meteor falls from the sky and hits him on the head?

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WalkingWolf said:

His IQ goes up?

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and the meteor's IQ goes down...