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CC Instructor "what ifs" me
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Elm Creek Smith
Regular Member
Just got a private message from a moderator at the Smith & Wesson Forum advising me to re-read their rules. Seems I insulted someone(s) over there on a thread that I started about having to go from open carry in Oklahoma to concealed carry in Texas. One joker posited that open carry was "all about the 'look at me syndrome' which invariably can lead to a unneeded confrontation. In my opinion it also shows a lot of insecurity on the individuals part." Another one continued to criticize my carry choices and methods and apparently didn't remember that I was the OP. I'm afraid I responded with a picture that was apparently too much for the tender souls over there. Those folks don't seem to have much sense of humor.
Oddly enough, the guy who described open carriers as "attention wh*res" didn't have his post edited or deleted.
Oddly enough, the guy who described open carriers as "attention wh*res" didn't have his post edited or deleted.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
You want to avoid the Glock forum then, I got a warning for this.
"The difference between a good golfer with cheap clubs, and a bad golfer with the most expensive clubs is the good golfer can golf."
Then I got suspended for simply telling somebody that how many rounds they carry is a personal choice. Seems that if you own a glock you are supposed to carry a couple hundred rounds or you should not carry. And this was after the person I told this to insulted my mother.
OC for ME
Regular Member
CC Industrial Complex at work.
Elm Creek Smith
Regular Member
I got over Glocks a while back.
Really? Not doubting your word, of course, but really?
That's odd. I keep hearing the CC Glocksketeers saying that all they need to carry is one magazine in the gun and no reloads.
Sounds like you don't need to go back. Anytime anyone insults your mother, don't respond directly, just report them.
I'm offended that you think it's a choice! That is totally offensive. We don't choose to carry rounds. I don't wake up one day and say, "Hey, today I feel like an extra magazine." Ok, well, maybe it's a choice for, like 25% who just do it for attention or because it's the "trendy" thing to do.
/sarcasm :lol:
since9
Campaign Veteran
I always answer "what if" questions with either the opposite, or if it's something highly unlikely, with another something that's highly unlikely:
What if he doesn't?
Why would cops care about the lawful actions of a law-abiding citizen?
What if he does and we have a pleasant conversation, instead?
Neither does your giving advice about areas where you're obviously misinformed.
He's been spending WAY too much on CC-only message forums. I OC when and where I can, and CC in areas where OC is either prohibited or in my judgement it's better that I CC.
Interesting! The only time I've had such a conversation was on the phone with a very liberal, anti-gun friend.
Sound points.
What if he doesn't?
Why would cops care about the lawful actions of a law-abiding citizen?
What if he does and we have a pleasant conversation, instead?
Neither does your giving advice about areas where you're obviously misinformed.
He's been spending WAY too much on CC-only message forums. I OC when and where I can, and CC in areas where OC is either prohibited or in my judgement it's better that I CC.
Interesting! The only time I've had such a conversation was on the phone with a very liberal, anti-gun friend.
Sound points.
since9
Campaign Veteran
Not a very smart joker.
Javelina
Regular Member
Arizona
I would say try Arizona they are on of the most gun friendly (if not THE MOST) gun friendly states. As far as the situation went though I think you handled it well. Funny story is I had the clerk at a Walgreens try and be funny by saying "Hey man don't bust a cap in me", I just looked at him and he knew to quit the ****. I wasn't surprised when he told me he was waiting to get off probation so he could start "packin", lord have mercy I hope he was a convicted felony becuase someone like that shouldn't be carrying a gun.
I would say try Arizona
they are on of the most gun friendly (if not THE MOST) gun friendly states. As far as the situation went though I think you handled it well. Funny story is I had the clerk at a Walgreens try and be funny by saying "Hey man don't bust a cap in me", I just looked at him and he knew to quit the ****. I wasn't surprised when he told me he was waiting to get off probation so he could start "packin", lord have mercy I hope he was a convicted felony becuase someone like that shouldn't be carrying a gun.Maybe he'll be a champion Darwin Award Winner?
OT:
The "what ifs" are ruining the 2A environment. What if so-and-so does this? Or that? What if monkeys fly out my butt? What if I s**t rainbow sherbet? In any logical/intellectual discussion on 2A/OC/CC/Rights, "what if" cannot be interjected as a viable platform for argument.
The "crazies" utilize this tactic: What if we expand mass school shootings to any shooting- accidental or purposeful- on school and/or district property, no matter what time of day or whom the victims are? HOLY S***! Our numbers tripled! What if we stop using "gun owners" and started using "gun fanatics?" What if we stop using "gun rights activists" and started using "gun bullies?"
ron73440
Regular Member
I don't know about that, but if it stays in the holster there is no chance of an ND, if I pull it out , unload it, then pull it out again to reload then there is a chance of one.
MackTheKnife
Regular Member
The permission slip is his rice bowl. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rice+Bowl
And disarming to go into a gun show has always amused me. Walk in totally disarmed. Stop off and buy a gun (or three). Head for the magazine guy's table. Then to the ammo dealers (no matter how overpriced they are, you are probably going to pick up at least one box, amirite?). Then to the holster vendors. Et voila! Armed!
And let's not forget the knives and machetes and kukris and bayonets and phoney katanas.
A guy, in 15 minutes (if the background check is slow) can go from nada to Mommys Demanding Attention's worst nightmare.:shocker:
stay safe.
Yep, it is his ricebowl. And it is sad that he is basically putting down OC. I explain quite often to the OC naysayers it is good to have a choice (not here in FL) and many people who OC don't want to pay to carry CC.
Sent from my Kindle via the NSA.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
That rubs a sore spot with both CC permit holders and the instructors. I have had permit holders tell me on several occasions they don't think it is fair that I carry and did not have to jump through the same hoops they did. I simply tell them that was their decision, not mine. What is not fair is the whole permission scheme created by the NRA to begin with.
Handgunner? The S&W forum, like a lot of gun boards, is full of self-important OC Fudds. They can call you an "attention *****" all day long; respond by calling them an OC Fudd and you get a public rebuke from the mods/staff. Even Arfcom is full of OC fudds. You would think that the OCT folks were personally castrating every TX male child under 14 the way they carry on and on over there about all the so-called damage OCT is doing.
Getting back to instructors: When I took the TN state-mandated "safety" class, the instructor recommended that you always carry concealed; that carrying openly scares people and they'll call the cops on you. Have I mentioned that he's a former LEO? I forget which type though.
He also showed a TN-state video where the narrator stated that you should always tell LEO's that you're armed during a traffic stop. When I raised my hand (the only time I bothered during the class) and asked if TN was a "must notify" state, he said no and then abruptly changed the subject. If they lied about that, what else did they lie about during the video? If they're lying, who bother showing it? :banghead:
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Aknazer
Regular Member
I wish I could give you a cite, but when I inquired about it at a gun show in Oklahoma I too was told that. Though I was told that it was usually the vendors who were having the NDs and not the visitors who were the problem. Of course "common" is a relative term (how exactly does one quantify it?), but given people from all over having similar stories it does appear that there could have been an issue "back in the day" with safety.
PeterNSteinmetz
Regular Member
I didn't mean to imply there is anything wrong with making a living selling a product people freely chose to buy. But if the demand for that product depends on the government outlawing a legitimate activity, like simply carrying a firearm, I think there are other issues involved.
ron73440
Regular Member
Exactly!
since9
Campaign Veteran
So what? I can promote OC without putting down CC. So can anyone with half a brain.
When idiots like the pro-CC jerk in the OP demean OC, it is NO LONGER "his ricebowl."
It's ours.
MackTheKnife
Regular Member
His rice bowl as in it's his class and he thinks he controls it. Doesn't make him right.
Kopis
Regular Member
im a big news reader and i never knew that! i know with the florida movie shooting, that was a retired cop but the news has done their best to downplay that and bury it in the article, not the title.