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    Rand Paul Legislation to Stop End Run Around 2A. SA3292 HR4660. Makin' sausage!

    Senator Rand Paul is attempting to prevent the Obama administration from making an end run around the Constitution.

    On Thursday Paul introduced legislation to amend the Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act for the 2015 budget.

    The amendment would prohibit the federal government from providing funds to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or Department of Justice to target gun and ammunition companies.

    S.Amdt.3[292] to H.R.4660 will prohibit “any action by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to classify the sale or manufacture of a firearm or ammunition as an activity involving risk” and prevent “any action by the Department of Justice to discourage the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of payments by any financial institution to a manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms or ammunition, based on the fact that the business is a manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms or ammunition.”

    http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-pr...2nd-amendment/

    https://beta.congress.gov/amendment/113th-congress/senate-amendment/3359/text?q={%22search%22:[%22hr4660%22]}

    SA 3292. Mr. PAUL submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by
    him to the bill H.R. 4660, making appropriations for the Departments of
    Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies for the fiscal year
    ending September 30, 2015, and for other purposes; which was ordered to
    lie on the table; as follows:

    At the appropriate place, insert the following:
    Sec. __. None of the funds made available by this Act or
    any other Act may be used for--

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    (1) any action by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
    to classify the sale or manufacture of a firearm or
    ammunition as an activity involving risk; or
    (2) any action by the Department of Justice to discourage
    the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of
    payments by any financial institution to a manufacturer,
    dealer, or importer of firearms or ammunition, based on the
    fact that the business is a manufacturer, dealer, or importer
    of firearms or ammunition.
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    Good!
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Forgive my ignorance but aren't all things profitable "risky"? Being a bank and/or taking payments from/for companies of all types is risky as hell. Those things get robbed alot. Should banks stop making money so that robbers would rob someone else? Thereby allowing the banks to stay open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangkiller View Post
    Forgive my ignorance but aren't all things profitable "risky"? Being a bank and/or taking payments from/for companies of all types is risky as hell. Those things get robbed alot. Should banks stop making money so that robbers would rob someone else? Thereby allowing the banks to stay open?

    The way I see profit is that both parties in a voluntary transaction benefit or "profit" otherwise it's theft or fraud.

    Socialist want it to be a one way street and I simply think that is untrue.

    Can it be risky, sure, but usually it isn't most people live up to the bargains they agree with theft by the state usually is way more of a risk than from other civilians.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    The way I see profit is that both parties in a voluntary transaction benefit or "profit" otherwise it's theft or fraud. [ ... ]
    Consideration in a contract. The parties define satisfactory consideration, each to their own needs, in the contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Consideration in a contract. The parties define satisfactory consideration, each to their own needs, in the contract.
    A box store makes goods less expensive for me to buy. I go there and save money, I profit. Because of the innovations of the capitalist they too profit from making our lives better.

    I consider that deal pretty good.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    A box store makes goods less expensive for me to buy. I go there and save money, I profit. Because of the innovations of the capitalist they too profit from making our lives better. I consider that deal pretty good.
    A store does not make goods, but buys them wholesale, sometimes from (note the scare-quotes) "slave laborers." This is a capitalist-communist innovation that does not make their lives better.

    Further, if quality is valuated in expense/cost then cheap goods are not less expensive.

    ATM I am working on the purchase of a scythe for about $200, all hand made, Austrian blade, Canadian snath. This to complement my Chinese B&D GrassHog 1000 where the power cord can't reach, and my 30 y.o. Ford-New Holland tractor where it is too clumsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A store does not make goods, but buys them wholesale, sometimes from (note the scare-quotes) "slave laborers." This is a capitalist-communist innovation that does not make their lives better. <snip>
    Some stores do not make goods, others do.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A store does not make goods, but buys them wholesale, sometimes from (note the scare-quotes) "slave laborers." This is a capitalist-communist innovation that does not make their lives better.

    Further, if quality is valuated in expense/cost then cheap goods are not less expensive.

    ATM I am working on the purchase of a scythe for about $200, all hand made, Austrian blade, Canadian snath. This to complement my Chinese B&D GrassHog 1000 where the power cord can't reach, and my 30 y.o. Ford-New Holland tractor where it is too clumsy.

    Of course they don't make the goods that is why my whole sentence says "makes goods less expensive for me to buy".

    These are the same goods sold at mom and pop stores.

    It has shown that goods made oversees the workers are paid higher on average than the average wage of other workers. Much like minimum wage low income industries is an economic foot in the door or low rung on the ladder to prosperity, Hong Kong is a perfect example of that.

    That's awesome you can choose your scythe and pay a high price for it. If that was the only choice for a scythe lower income people wouldn't have them and thus have a lower quality of life.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Of course they don't make the goods that is why my whole sentence says "makes goods less expensive for me to buy".

    These are the same goods sold at mom and pop stores.

    It has shown that goods made oversees the workers are paid higher on average than the average wage of other workers. Much like minimum wage low income industries is an economic foot in the door or low rung on the ladder to prosperity, Hong Kong is a perfect example of that.

    That's awesome you can choose your scythe and pay a high price for it. If that was the only choice for a scythe lower income people wouldn't have them and thus have a lower quality of life.
    He let his schooling interfere with his education.

    I'll toss him a bone, by your leave:
    A box store makes available goods that are less expensive for me to buy.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    He let his schooling interfere with his education.

    I'll toss him a bone, by your leave:

    Better worded thank you.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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