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    SCOTUS unanimous decision ( RARE) on cell phone searches!

    The police generally may not, without a warrant, search digital information
    on a cell phone seized from an individual who has been arrested.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...3-132_8l9c.pdf
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    A right cannot be lost by exercising it. McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S. Ct. 3020, 3021, 177 L. Ed. 2d 894 (2010) (citing Near v. Minn., 283 U.S. 697 (1931)).

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    Thanks for the post and the link to the opinion.
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    The first judge should blow his own head off for being stupid .. and the state lawyers who worked on appeals should also.

    A freaking 5 yr old would know the correct decision on this issue.

    Instead it took a waste of taxpayer dollars to get to the same conclusion a 5 yr old would.

    Kudos to our justice system ...

    Thanks for the post OP !

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    Thanks for the post.

    I agree with McBeth it's a travesty it even got that far.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Let US hope that a nexus is found with computers/HDD crossing the borders.
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    I'm tellin'...The Supremes have naughty pics on their cells. (the logical conclusion).

    To be serious, the 'may not generally...' thing is the chink in the ruling. And of course LE can always say 'oh, oops, my bad, nobody told me'.

    In fact what's the point if the phone can be seized (for what a tail light out?).
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    As Professor Gutzman says, it's a good decision yet still unconstitutional.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    So how does this decision the average low level police officer's version of the NSA spying, otherwise known as StingRay?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...olice/3902809/

    See as how with most bundled and automatic backup software, the entire contents of a phone's memory will auto-backup to the Cloud at frequent intervals. Isn't warrantless mass-spying on the airwaves the same as raiding an entire phone's memory now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    I'm tellin'...The Supremes have naughty pics on their cells. (the logical conclusion).

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    ROFL .... I have asked for several internet browser histories from several legislators ... what I get is a history after they clear it !

    Like these guys:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...g-porn-3760272
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    ROFL .... I have asked for several internet browser histories from several legislators ... what I get is a history after they clear it ! Like these guys:
    Modern up-to-date browsers include the option to keep no history, cookies, or cache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Modern up-to-date browsers include the option to keep no history, cookies, or cache.
    Correct, ones I get have the history set for 7 days of storage .. but only 1 or 2 days actually are there (they clear them out then provide them -- so easily spotted) ... want their full history? Ask for the dat files ... now this gets them freaked out completely ! Still waiting to get some dat files that agency lawyers promised me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    ROFL .... I have asked for several internet browser histories from several legislators ... what I get is a history after they clear it !

    Like these guys:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...g-porn-3760272
    FOI the "procedure" for clearing browser histories. They ought to have a formal policy.

    IIRC they also have a policy against personal use of government computers by government employees. FOI the procedure for tracking and enforcement of that policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Modern up-to-date browsers include the option to keep no history, cookies, or cache.
    Sys Admin powns all history

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Sys Admin powns all history
    Even the user's PC saves it, whether want to or not ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Modern up-to-date browsers include the option to keep no history, cookies, or cache.
    If you're using Windoze, you are naive as to the storage of 'history'. It's all in the cache or whatever Bill and Co use to spy on you. In fact, Microsloth has been caught a couple times downloading user data to 'protect' their software.

    All clearing 'history' does on a windows machine is protect it from your non-tecchy spouse (but not from your savvy ten year old).

    HTH

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    The only thing that will change is that cops will hang onto the phone as evidence. I suspect that completed warrants will be printed up and ready for a signature. Your rights will be violated, nothing will change, and this ruling reiterates what we all know:

    Cop: "Yeah, yeah buddy, we'll let a judge sort it out, watch your head."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    The only thing that will change is that cops will hang onto the phone as evidence. I suspect that completed warrants will be printed up and ready for a signature. Your rights will be violated, nothing will change, and this ruling reiterates what we all know:

    Cop: "Yeah, yeah buddy, we'll let a judge sort it out, watch your head."
    Ready? They'll have them all pre-completed !

    Anyone who is betting on judges protecting your rights is sadly mistaken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    The only thing that will change is that cops will hang onto the phone as evidence. I suspect that completed warrants will be printed up and ready for a signature. Your rights will be violated, nothing will change, and this ruling reiterates what we all know:

    Cop: "Yeah, yeah buddy, we'll let a judge sort it out, watch your head."
    Hmm, there needs to be a 'dead man app.'

    Enter code every 24 hours or all data is wiped. Might be possible for the app to turn the phone on and wipe the date, even if stored in a police evidence locker.

    That ought to be worth $1.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    So how does this decision the average low level police officer's version of the NSA spying, otherwise known as StingRay?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...olice/3902809/

    See as how with most bundled and automatic backup software, the entire contents of a phone's memory will auto-backup to the Cloud at frequent intervals. Isn't warrantless mass-spying on the airwaves the same as raiding an entire phone's memory now?
    You'd think so. The law does require a warrant to intercept such communications, after all.

    The police are basically asserting that such a thing isn't interception and therefore no warrant is required -- but if that were true, it would be legal for anyone to use one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Hmm, there needs to be a 'dead man app.'

    Enter code every 24 hours or all data is wiped. Might be possible for the app to turn the phone on and wipe the date, even if stored in a police evidence locker.
    Yeah, just don't oversleep or forget to enter the code.

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    The OP mentioned in the title that a unanimous decision is rare for SCOTUS, the truth is they issue unanimous decisions about half the time at least the last 10 years or so that is they way it has been.
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    SCOTUS unanimous decision ( RARE) on cell phone searches!

    SCOTUS unanimous decision ( RARE) ... I saw a comment crediting Obama with unifying SCOTUS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    The OP mentioned in the title that a unanimous decision is rare for SCOTUS, the truth is they issue unanimous decisions about half the time at least the last 10 years or so that is they way it has been.
    Maybe what is rare is when their decision is not on the side of the state.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Maybe what is rare is when their decision is not on the side of the state.
    Now you are on to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    The OP mentioned in the title that a unanimous decision is rare for SCOTUS, the truth is they issue unanimous decisions about half the time at least the last 10 years or so that is they way it has been.
    To clarify, Jeff, I was commenting on the composition of the current Court, which has only been composed since August 7, 2010 and first sat on the first Monday in October of that year. I apologize as I should have been more clear for those not in the legal profession.
    Last edited by rapgood; 06-27-2014 at 11:05 PM.
    Rev. Robert Apgood, Esq.

    A right cannot be lost by exercising it. McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S. Ct. 3020, 3021, 177 L. Ed. 2d 894 (2010) (citing Near v. Minn., 283 U.S. 697 (1931)).

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    And it was UNANIMOUS, all 9 justices (appointed by both dem and rep presidents) agreed that the cops have no right to go through your cell phone.

    Note: 9/0 decisions don't happen very often, and that is a very significant statement that cops have very clearly overstepped their boundaries.
    Last edited by XD40sc; 06-28-2014 at 07:29 PM.

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