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    Are conservatives more obedient and agreeable than their liberal counterparts?

    Over the last few years, we've seen increasing dissent among liberals and conservatives on important issues such as gun control, health care and same-sex marriage. Both sides often have a difficult time reconciling their own views with their opposition, and many times it appears that liberals are unable to band together under a unifying platform. Why do conservatives appear to have an affinity for obeying leadership? And why do conservatives perceive greater consensus among politically like-minded others?

    Two studies publishing in Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin shed light on these questions.

    http://phys.org/news/2014-06-obedien...nterparts.html
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    More bush-league psych-out stuff.

    Who doesn't want those around them to be obedient? Especially if you happen to be "in charge."

    Besides, the "research" is out of Winnipeg, as in Canada.....a obedient lot they have up there in the Great White North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    More bush-league psych-out stuff. [ ... ]
    What or who would you consider not bush-league on psych stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Over the last few years, we've seen increasing dissent among liberals and conservatives on important issues such as gun control, health care and same-sex marriage. Both sides often have a difficult time reconciling their own views with their opposition, and many times it appears that liberals are unable to band together under a unifying platform. Why do conservatives appear to have an affinity for obeying leadership? And why do conservatives perceive greater consensus among politically like-minded others?

    Two studies publishing in Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin shed light on these questions.

    http://phys.org/news/2014-06-obedien...nterparts.html

    If conservatives are more obedient then they are as dumb as the liberals they oppose. Obedience to government tyranny and lawlessness is tantamount to acceptance and makes us a laughing stock while the government makes more and more advances and practically does a Borg and says 'resistance is futile' while all the while we play Mr Nice Guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    What or who would you consider not bush-league on psych stuff?
    Shrinks...pfft...I'd trust a cop far more than a shrink.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    sorry as OC4ME states: "More bush-league psych-out stuff" especially since his previous studies consistently lack validity with such a small sample size and tight control groups. this study probably wasn't even peered reviewed. Dr. Frimer's CV shows a propensity and prolific tendency to re-configure, with minor changes to the material, previous articles he and cohorts have written/published.

    in one from 2013 titled Liberals and Conservatives Rely on Common Moral Foundations When Making Moral Judgments About Influential People, the article's abstract states:
    quote: In Study 1, 100 experts evaluated the impact that 40 influential figures had on each moral foundation, yielding stimulus materials for the remaining studies. In Study 2, 177 American liberal and conservative professors rated the moral character of the same figures. Liberals and conservatives relied on the same 3 moral foundations: For both groups, promoting care, fairness, and purity— but not authority or loyalty—predicted moral judgments of the targets. Study 3 replicated these results with 222 folk raters. Folk liberals and conservatives disagreed even less about the moral standing of the targets than did experts. Unquote.

    http://www.jeremyfrimer.com/uploads/..._2013_jpsp.pdf

    sorry articulated information about liberals/conservatives based on 177 academic professors then 222 undefined 'folk raters' does not make a sensational splash in the reality of the world.

    I am sure this article has the same limited input from the same closed minded academic & folk raters.

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    "law and order conservatives" There does seem to be a little something about the nationalist jingoism of many conservatives that appear to make them more obedient to the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    sorry as OC4ME states: "More bush-league psych-out stuff" especially since his previous studies consistently lack validity with such a small sample size and tight control groups. this study probably wasn't even peered reviewed. Dr. Frimer's CV shows a propensity and prolific tendency to re-configure, with minor changes to the material, previous articles he and cohorts have written/published.

    in one from 2013 titled Liberals and Conservatives Rely on Common Moral Foundations When Making Moral Judgments About Influential People, the article's abstract states:
    quote: In Study 1, 100 experts evaluated the impact that 40 influential figures had on each moral foundation, yielding stimulus materials for the remaining studies. In Study 2, 177 American liberal and conservative professors rated the moral character of the same figures. Liberals and conservatives relied on the same 3 moral foundations: For both groups, promoting care, fairness, and purity— but not authority or loyalty—predicted moral judgments of the targets. Study 3 replicated these results with 222 folk raters. Folk liberals and conservatives disagreed even less about the moral standing of the targets than did experts. Unquote.

    http://www.jeremyfrimer.com/uploads/..._2013_jpsp.pdf

    sorry articulated information about liberals/conservatives based on 177 academic professors then 222 undefined 'folk raters' does not make a sensational splash in the reality of the world.

    I am sure this article has the same limited input from the same closed minded academic & folk raters.

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    There are two types of research: a) original research and b) reviews of the literature about previous research. Both are vital and offer good information - if done right.

    But merely spouting that 177 academic professors and 222 unidentified 'folk raters' (without delving into who they are, what their level of experience and expertise is, and how sound their conclusions are based on standard metrics) is not a review of the literature about previous research.

    Just because 100% of the anti-gun organizations say that you are 40 times more likely to be shot by your own gun if you have a gun in the house, or that 37/337/some other number people a day die from "gun violence", does not mean that either of those "statistics" are in fact "true" For example, the "finding" that conservatives are more loyal to leadership means nothing, especially when it comes to gun rights. First off, who is the leadership? Even with several million members it does not seem to be the NRA. And even though it seems impossible to determine just who the TEA Party is or what they are about, there is some indication that they are folks that lots of folks who support "gun rights" aggree with.

    As for "agreement and consensus" - there is a bit more that supports "the concept that conservatives desire to share reality more strongly than liberals." If only because conservatives are more prone to dealing with reality than with feelings and emotions and beliefs as the things that control their lives. But being more prone towards something is not a conclusion of absoluteness, nor is it even a trend.

    Somebody get me some research literature from a publication geared towards peer-reviewed analysis as opposed to a publication geared towards influencing the general public without the need to address even the barest statistical standards.

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    If one follows the Open Access debate, then one will find that peer-review is deeply flawed.

    Anthony Watts' WattsUpWithThat.com, "...the world's most viewed climate website" has frequent discussions and from this one point of view among many, many others.
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    Don't over think this stuff. If a shrink says it you must take whatever it is he said with two grains of salt. Don't give a shrink the benefit of the doubt...ever.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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