Spooler41
Regular Member
People who open carry in a non 2A frendly area , are like children splashing in puddles, they do it just because they can.
.......................Jack
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LGOCers Have Done it Again
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jmelvin
Founder's Club Member
That was a nice letter OC4Me! The swipe that Target took at responsible moms and dads who carry to protect themselves and their families was downright appalling, even if they never have any intention to say a word to anyone for carrying. The folks at MDA who hate people carrying arms either think you get pleasant stores and neighborhoods by magic, or just hate guns in everyone elses hands but their own so much that crimes against regular moms and dads are fine if it accomplishes their agenda to hold all power.
Just like people who come onto a 2A forum saying the 2A is not about OC, CC, carry, don't carry, carry long guns, etc, etc, etc are like children splashing in puddles because they can?
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Damn that evil black rifle, guess Bloomingidiotberg was right after all, and here I thought a AR was an inanimate object... (inserted large amounts of sarcasm)
deepdiver
Campaign Veteran
I've seen numerous pics of LGOC peeps. Most of them would not cause any particular attention even with a safely slung rifle. However, there were several who would have been scary looking without a rifle and more than one who was "posing" in ways or generally handling their long guns in ways that would have made me uncomfortable had I been nearby.
There is certainly a balance. I'm not saying you should wear a tux for LGOC, however, if you're looking like a homeless person that day or can't figure out which way to point your slung rifle, or have no situational awareness of where it is pointing when you are moving around the store shopping or taking things out of a cart or off the bottom so that your muzzle is pointed at the face of the little kid behind you, or while leaning over to get something at the counter the business end of your rifle ends up an inch away from middle of the nice customer service lady's face, well, maybe you shouldn't carry that day, or until you get more training, or with a different firearm.
It is pretty easy to stick a handgun in a decent holster and carry it around without any particular thing beyond your just having it making anyone uncomfortable. Carrying around a long gun requires a whole lot of muzzle control, situational awareness and body position awareness if you are doing something where you are bending over and reaching up a lot like may happen shopping. So yeah, I can certainly see, based on pics and videos I have seen, why many people would react negatively and how those same images could be used to lean a CEO to at least asking for no more OC.
There is certainly a balance. I'm not saying you should wear a tux for LGOC, however, if you're looking like a homeless person that day or can't figure out which way to point your slung rifle, or have no situational awareness of where it is pointing when you are moving around the store shopping or taking things out of a cart or off the bottom so that your muzzle is pointed at the face of the little kid behind you, or while leaning over to get something at the counter the business end of your rifle ends up an inch away from middle of the nice customer service lady's face, well, maybe you shouldn't carry that day, or until you get more training, or with a different firearm.
It is pretty easy to stick a handgun in a decent holster and carry it around without any particular thing beyond your just having it making anyone uncomfortable. Carrying around a long gun requires a whole lot of muzzle control, situational awareness and body position awareness if you are doing something where you are bending over and reaching up a lot like may happen shopping. So yeah, I can certainly see, based on pics and videos I have seen, why many people would react negatively and how those same images could be used to lean a CEO to at least asking for no more OC.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Could you show us some pictures of the scary looking people posing in ways that would make you uncomfortable?
That's true if were legal. The guys were in Texas where HG OC is illegal, but LG OC is legal, why they are doing it. I truly believe if HG OC was legal there, they would NOT be carrying LGs.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
So, if a homeless man owned a rifle, he shouldn't carry it? Why not? Does he not have the right?
I understand the importance of presenting yourself professionally... But don't lose touch with the fact that we are dealing with human rights here. Perish the thought that we ever give police forces the idea that lesser dress gives them justification to detain.
This isn't mentioned enough, because everyone seems to keep forgetting that this is the whole friggin' point, and why Texas is where this is happening.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
It doesn't matter to them, I have pointed it out on other gun boards, and in return for telling facts I get called names. The hatred of OC is strong with the conceal carry crowd, LGOC is just a way to jump on the bandwagon with MDA because they want OC to go away. They clearly do not want Texans to get handgun OC. That in a nutshell is what has them so overwrought with anger, they do not want Texas to get open carry, period!
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
You mean Rosa Parks should have just not sat in that place unfriendly to black folk?
JoeSparky
Centurion
countryclubjoe
Regular Member
One day they are going to come for the open carry long gun folks, and the open carry of hand gun folks and CC folks will look away and say hell I don't care about the rights of those long gun folks. Then they will come for the open carry of hand gun folks, and the CC folks will say, oh well I don't like oc hand gun folks anyway, I'm not going to stand up and support them.. And then guess what, one day they will come for all the CC folks, and guess what, there will be no one left to stand with them in their cause to keep and bear arms.
Simply because we do not approve of their mode of carry, or because they carry a bigger weapon then us, should not mean that we should not support their rights to keep an bear arms and defend there Family and property to the best of their ability.
If we divide, we will be conquered.
My .02
Regards
CCJ
Simply because we do not approve of their mode of carry, or because they carry a bigger weapon then us, should not mean that we should not support their rights to keep an bear arms and defend there Family and property to the best of their ability.
If we divide, we will be conquered.
My .02
Regards
CCJ
OC for ME
Regular Member
I don't think the anti-liberty crowd thinks that deeply about LGOC, or HG OC for that matter. See gun, hate gun, limit liberty.....just that simple.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
QFT but let's not forget the "gun owner" crowd that hates anything outside how they use a gun. The are a bigger problem than the typical anti gun nutter. I would not be surprised if half those signatures were from OC haters(CC only crowd).
If a person takes time to look at the anti sites one will find that they really really hate concealed carry. In fact they are my source when debating this nonsense on other sites. I usually do not need to use them on this site, because it is not CC only centric.
They clearly have developed a strategy from what they have learned reading gun sites. That CC only sites hate OC as much as they hate CC. In the past, and hopefully continues, the OC crowd has supported CC even though it is not returned. All MDA has to do is fan the flames, get CC to carp tons on OC. Not just throwing OC under the bus, but backing over OC several times until dead.
Then MDA will go after CC expecting OC with a bad taste, revenge will support them. I gotta say after the revolting venom that these (lower appendage) have done to us, it would be tempting. CC numbnuts are so frigging dumb they do not see what is going on.
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OC for ME
Regular Member
I am quite confident that some CC only folks, here in Missouri, in Jeff City, have voted to not fix that travesty of a statute, RSMo 21.750.3 ( the OC can be banned by towns). The CC Industrial Complex is strong here in MO.
In other words, Missouri is the "Show Me State" except where OC is concerned.
What is ironic is that the CC Industrial Complex would be little affected if liberty were restored as Article I, Section 23 of our state constitution guarantees. Most folks, the vast majority of those who would carry, would actually OC, it's just not in them to do so. The CC Industrial Complex crowd here in MO are predominately the shallow thinkers I mentioned above.
In other words, Missouri is the "Show Me State" except where OC is concerned.
What is ironic is that the CC Industrial Complex would be little affected if liberty were restored as Article I, Section 23 of our state constitution guarantees. Most folks, the vast majority of those who would carry, would actually OC, it's just not in them to do so. The CC Industrial Complex crowd here in MO are predominately the shallow thinkers I mentioned above.
since9
Campaign Veteran
ATM
Campaign Veteran
Your question highlights the problem - most people seem to only support the manners of practice which they or the general populace condone rather than supporting the fundamental practice of the right itself. Rights must not be subject to the whims of any majority.
If it is the fear of seeing a right infringed which prevents us from exercising that right, we've already lost it - it is a right in word alone which we do not truly possess.
I'd rather people support liberty, applying any objections of manner to guiding their own practices rather than the attempted restriction of others.
lockman
State Researcher
^^ this +1