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    Local Credit Union (One Nevada) takes anti-gun stance at all branches (Images inside)

    This was posted by a user on the local OC facebook group. One Nevada Credit Union, formerly Nevada Federal Credit Union, is taking an anti-gun stance at it's branch offices, quoting company policy... (which should only apply to employees) The sign has no force, but it shows that the company has drawn a line in the sand... And it's not a national chain trying to pander, either!

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    This is a local business, and a credit union, to boot. We have been applauding and encouraging users that are unhappy with national big name banks to go with local credit unions because they understand Nevadans... .Apparently not the case with One Nevada Credit Union.

    I personally plan to write my mortgage banker as well as the banker that handles my regular account to inform them that I will likely be investigating refinancing and moving my accounts to one of their local competitors due to this unenforceable policy that is at-odds with Nevada State Preemption as well as the constitutional right I have as a citizen of the US & Nevada to Keep and Bear Arms. Not to mention them asking me to DISARM while performing a FINANCIAL TRANSACTION is ludicrous.

    I encourage everybody here to make noise about this. If you aren't a customer, let them know you won't be and mention the upcoming business they will be missing out on. If you are, you should take a hard look at your accounts and see if you want to continue doing business with a LOCAL, NEVADA financial company that doesn't respect your rights as a NEVADAN.
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    Any suggestions for the letter I just wrote before I send it off?

    Mr. Beal,

    It has come to my attention that a recent sign addition was placed at your branches since the last time I visited. The sign is a cause of serious concern for me as a member of the credit union, as well as a Nevadan and US citizen. It appears that your company is attempting to stifle my right to carry my firearm into a branch where I am performing obvious financial transactions. This is a cause for concern and labels me as a target on my way in and out of your branch. Not only are you attempting to tell me I cannot bear arms, which is contradictory to the 2nd amendment that many have fought long and hard to protect, but you are posting a large sign on your door, advertising to all criminal elements that not only is it likely that those inside are unable to defend themselves, but that anybody entering or exiting the premises are likely unarmed, unless they choose to ignore the wishes of the credit union.

    I cannot do business at a place that puts its customers in jeopardy, while pretending that this is in the best interests of those same members. Even if we do put aside the fact that Nevada State Preemption (NRS 244.364) specifically disallows any restriction of my possession of carrying (concealed with permit, or openly carried without), or put aside the fact that in Nevada, signs restricting firearms do NOT carry force of law, even in public government buildings not specifically outlined in statute NRS 202.3673 or NRS 202.265, or put aside that you are alienating a large portion of Nevadans that legally own and carry firearms on a daily basis for personal protection; Iím certain you still realize that criminals are already set on breaking the law, regardless of whether you post a sign on your property or not.

    The only people you are harming by putting up this sign are those that are law abiding, and choosing to respect the wishes of your company by disarming themselves before entering your building, making themselves a defenseless target. Are you willing to provide an armed, trained security guard to escort me to and from my vehicle while I conduct financial transactions at your branch? I doubt it. This is why I carry and I would not be able to forgive myself if I was injured or killed while walking to or from one of your branches because I felt courteous enough to respect your companyís wishes. I would make my wife a widow and leave my children fatherless because I was not able to defend myself from a criminal that marked your business as easy prey. I cannot do this to them, and for them is why I carry. Criminals are already willing to rob, injure, kill, or otherwise harm the general public Ė what good is a sign like this really doing for you? I doubt a criminal intent on robbing your branch at gunpoint is going to see that sign and turn around to find another target. It actually makes it more enticing, since they can reasonably assume nobody inside is armed and able to stop their attempt.

    As a member of the Credit Union since 2007, I have channeled multiple mortgages through your company. I could not give you an exact estimate, but the gross is likely north of $1M. Additionally I have referred many real estate investors and even friends that are new home buyers to use your company because you were a local, Nevada company that is familiar with the local market. Apparently I gauged the pulse of this company incorrectly if you feel that it is OK in Nevada, one of the most gun-friendly states in the country, to attempt to even remotely control or regulate my ability to protect myself by the lawful, daily carry of my firearm. While my individual business would likely not make or break your company, I know of many other customerís that are active in the Nevada Sport Shooting community that would be making similar decisions due to this policy. Iím curious if there was a specific case you can share that made your company feel that this was good decision?

    I have generally been happy with the service provided by ONCU, and do not wish to move my business elsewhere. I hope you will remove these ineffective and lawless signs from your business locations. If not, I will be investigating options to move my business to another local competitor. As a matter of practice, I always send you copies of any business transactions that occur at a competitor to you so you can see the financial consequences of a pointless and ineffective sign. Depending on the outcome of this issue, I will likely cease recommending your company to friends and family, and will take an active role in encouraging those I know that do business with you to find a company that understands the climate and citizens of Nevada better than you.

    I have copied this to the likely addresses of other members of the executive board that would take a role in evaluating this policy. I will also be forwarding this message on to members of the Board of Directors Ė many of which I noticed were active military for years, reaching the ranks of Colonel and beyond. I would hope that as veterans that actively fought to protect my constitutional right to keep and bear arms, they can recognize this as an abhorrent attempt to infringe upon my rights as a citizen of Nevada. I look forward to your response to this matter.



    Sincerely,

    z28power....

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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    This was posted by a user on the local OC facebook group. One Nevada Credit Union, formerly Nevada Federal Credit Union, is taking an anti-gun stance at it's branch offices, quoting company policy... (which should only apply to employees) The sign has no force, but it shows that the company has drawn a line in the sand... And it's not a national chain trying to pander, either!

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    This is a local business, and a credit union, to boot. We have been applauding and encouraging users that are unhappy with national big name banks to go with local credit unions because they understand Nevadans... .Apparently not the case with One Nevada Credit Union.

    I personally plan to write my mortgage banker as well as the banker that handles my regular account to inform them that I will likely be investigating refinancing and moving my accounts to one of their local competitors due to this unenforceable policy that is at-odds with Nevada State Preemption as well as the constitutional right I have as a citizen of the US & Nevada to Keep and Bear Arms. Not to mention them asking me to DISARM while performing a FINANCIAL TRANSACTION is ludicrous.

    I encourage everybody here to make noise about this. If you aren't a customer, let them know you won't be and mention the upcoming business they will be missing out on. If you are, you should take a hard look at your accounts and see if you want to continue doing business with a LOCAL, NEVADA financial company that doesn't respect your rights as a NEVADAN.
    May I use that image? I'm going to upload it to my FB, G+ and Twitter news page, tagging the company if they have profiles on the networks advising everyone to immediately close their account and go elsewhere. I would suggest everybody shares the posts so it goes viral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    May I use that image? I'm going to upload it to my FB, G+ and Twitter news page, tagging the company if they have profiles on the networks advising everyone to immediately close their account and go elsewhere. I would suggest everybody shares the posts so it goes viral.
    I asked the original poster on facebook if I could use them, he expressed that he wanted them spread far and wide and that was why he uploaded them.

    So please, grab 'em and make sure the company knows about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    I asked the original poster on facebook if I could use them, he expressed that he wanted them spread far and wide and that was why he uploaded them.

    So please, grab 'em and make sure the company knows about it.
    i'll post links here once I have it uploaded and the company tagged
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    Here we are. Public tagged posts are on

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    Lets see how viral we can get this
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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    This was posted by a user on the local OC facebook group. One Nevada Credit Union, formerly Nevada Federal Credit Union, is taking an anti-gun stance at it's branch offices, quoting company policy... (which should only apply to employees) The sign has no force, but it shows that the company has drawn a line in the sand... And it's not a national chain trying to pander, either!

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    This is a local business, and a credit union, to boot. We have been applauding and encouraging users that are unhappy with national big name banks to go with local credit unions because they understand Nevadans... .Apparently not the case with One Nevada Credit Union.

    I personally plan to write my mortgage banker as well as the banker that handles my regular account to inform them that I will likely be investigating refinancing and moving my accounts to one of their local competitors due to this unenforceable policy that is at-odds with Nevada State Preemption as well as the constitutional right I have as a citizen of the US & Nevada to Keep and Bear Arms. Not to mention them asking me to DISARM while performing a FINANCIAL TRANSACTION is ludicrous.

    I encourage everybody here to make noise about this. If you aren't a customer, let them know you won't be and mention the upcoming business they will be missing out on. If you are, you should take a hard look at your accounts and see if you want to continue doing business with a LOCAL, NEVADA financial company that doesn't respect your rights as a NEVADAN.
    I had an account at One Nevada for a short time. I used the Centennial Hills branch at N.Durango and El Capitan. There was a sign on the door forbidding firearms. Everytime I went into the branch I always OC'd, and the employees there saw it. Never a problem. I now do my banking at America First CU and Chase Bank. Neither of them have "no guns" signs, and I have never had a problem OC'ing in either of them. In fact, in the Chase Summerlin branch I had a manager ask me what I was carrying and had a fine discussion with him about firearms, OC, and CCW.

    At the Chase Centennial Hills branch I had a teller ask me what I was carrying. On my way out of the bank, a lady customer waiting in line smiled at me. I don't know if it was because of my rugged, handsomeness or if she was in favor of my OC. lol

    My wife banks at Wells Fargo. I have never had any problems OC'ing in their branches either, and I don't remember seeing any signs forbidding firearms there, either.

    In all of the banks I have been in so far no one, not customers or employees, have ever had a problem with me OC'ing.
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    I'm not a member of a credit union anymore. I was going to reactivate my Navy Federal Credit Union account when they came to town, but they put their "no guns" stickers on the doors as soon as they opened shop.

    Been a customer of Wells Fargo since they came to town and took over my old bank, which had taken over the previous bank and put up "no guns" stickers, which is when I closed the account and told them why. When Wells Fargo took over, they proactively took the signs down. I reopened my account and have been with them since. I pay the fees and crap for being with a large bank, but they get done everything I need with a lot of branches, so I just deal with it.

    Wells Fargo, Chase, and Bank of the West have had no problems with my OC, ever.
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    I stick with my California credit union. No need to worry about guns being banned there!
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    No problem with America First Credit Union out of Utah. They took over the Community One credit union. Three branches in Las Vegas.

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    Does preemp apply to credit unions in nevada?
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Does preemp apply to credit unions in nevada?
    They are private property. Signage and policies have no weight of law in Nevada.
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    pre emption

    correct me if I'm wrong, But State Preemption has nothing to do with banks or private property... it is strictly to say that no municipality or county in the state can make rules that are more restrictive than what the State laws are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    correct me if I'm wrong, But State Preemption has nothing to do with banks or private property... it is strictly to say that no municipality or county in the state can make rules that are more restrictive than what the State laws are?
    That is correct, and Banks are Private Property, But while on private property if you are asked to leave and you refuse you will be sited or worse all depending on the situation, the cops, and the lies the employees might tell!

    When ever I was asked to leave I headed to the door and told them no problem I will just take my money elsewhere and leave, unless it's a place like Walmart that I know allows it and then I just ask for the manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    Any suggestions for the letter I just wrote before I send it off?

    Mr. Beal,

    <snip> This is why I carry and I would not be able to forgive myself if I was injured or killed the unthinkable while walking to or from one of your branches because I felt courteous enough to respect your companyís wishes.<snip>
    Just my $.02
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    correct me if I'm wrong, But State Preemption has nothing to do with banks or private property... it is strictly to say that no municipality or county in the state can make rules that are more restrictive than what the State laws are?
    Correct.
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    Greater Nevada Credit Union also has signs that say "Firearms Prohibited In This Building".

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    How long have these signs been up? I've seen them for months now, probably since about the time I started carrying in February.

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    Not sure, I don't remember them being there when I did my first account opening years ago for a mortgage with NFCU (before it become ONCU) Maybe when they switched the name?

    I got a response from the CEO:
    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Beal, President ONCU
    thank you for your e-mail. We understand and respect your position.

    Our decision to post the “No Firearms” sign was considered very seriously. We evaluated all aspects of this difficult question, including all of the perspectives you mentioned. After careful consideration of all viewpoints, we elected to post the signs. Given that our branches are private property, we are within our rights and Nevada law to do so.

    We understand that you and others may disagree with our decision…..while other members will certainly agree and support our decision. There’s simply no way for us to make everybody happy.

    Thank you again for writing.

    Brad Beal
    President, ONCU
    So many things I wanted to write back when he responded over the weekend (sorry for the delay on posting it) but I am certain there is no convincing this guy. I did notice a bunch of the Board of Directors are former military - I guess it shouldn't surprise me that high ranking military would incorrectly feel they can reserve that right to LEO and Military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    I did notice a bunch of the Board of Directors are former military - I guess it shouldn't surprise me that high ranking military would incorrectly feel they can reserve that right to LEO and Military.
    A simple clue to their egos will be the strip of reserved parking spots on any military base. They are special and more important than anyone lower than them in rank.

    Seems, in my experience, most people in the rank of Major and above are simply politicians who suck the asses of those above them and **** on those below them. Sad really.

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    I wonder if a little awareness outreach in front of their branches would change minds. Like:
    "One Nevada-Now Safe for Armed Robbers!"
    "Bank Here, Get Robbed Here."
    "One Nevada-Silly Customers, We Care About Money, not People."
    "Yes, we know, just put the money in the bag."
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