The Lexington Center

Hello everyone! I'm terribly sorry that I haven't made my presence felt since the last time I posted, and that I haven't followed up to this thread. I've been in Canada since mid-July, as part of a vacation, and for a very temp job near the 'tar sands' that I had been offered back in March, got back on Monday, and been dealing with the fallout of my Fiance walking out on me, and not telling me that he sold 90% of the stuff I had left in what was our shared apartment.

In regards to the thread, I had filed a complain with Lexington Police prior to my departure to Canada, but told them that I would be out of contact for international employment and vacational reasons, and I haven't gotten any calls, or emails from the assigned investigational contact that was given to my case, but I had learned from LCC, and LPD that the person who assaulted me was NOT in any way, shape, or form, related to any official public, or private business on, or in LCC. BUT! LPD did mention that a person matching the description I gave, had assaulted a couple people in Jacobson Park a month prior to my own incident, claiming to have been employed by the park as 'contracted security'.

I'm not really concerned with pursuing the matter with LCC, or anyone like that. Just gotta live, and learn.

I will say this for sure. Having spent a month and a half in Canada for fun, and business, I have missed my home state, and I have missed the freedoms, and rights that even us Open Carriers take for granted. For instance, getting a 600$CAN ticket by a Mounty, for calling a white hood-rat "Wi[geegee]er" was a shocking crash-course in the large, and small, differences between two countries who on the exterior, seem so much alike, yet deep down, are so far apart it's like two different worlds. No free speech, no right or even permission-slips for defense, a hefty felony for anyone who carries even pocket knives without a permission slip. Cars have to have both english AND french wording on them, U.S. cars that have spedometers with ONLY MPH/Imperial measurements on them are strictly illegal in Canada, AND, Smoking, and even vaping, are strictly controlled.

Even if I'm an Atheist, I have to say 'Gods bless the USA'.

I may adore Canada for their unrivaled heavenly treatment for LGBT people, but, I would rather live in an American Theocracy, where I can own whatever firearms my wallet can buy, than to live in a socialist state with gay marriage and protections for all, but not be able to even own a pocket knife without a permit. And that's saying something from me.

Screw spelling, I'm too worn out to be a grammar nazi.

gutshot said:

Welcome back, Drake! I've been into LCC twice since your incident. Both times I was OC. BB62 was with me, once. We asked everybody we could find about your incident and described the man involved and nobody knew anything about it and could not suggest who it might be. I had come to the conclusion that who ever it was, he was not associated with LCC. It sounds like your information agrees with that. I hope your situation improves soon. Don't get mouthy with anybody in Ky., you could get more than a fine.

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I'm reading through your posts in another broswer tab, and it looks like you guys have did a thorough job making sure LCC knows their bounds, even if they knew their bounds already, better to make sure.

Besides, I don't get mouthy with my bluegrass brothers, unless they deserve it, of course, or unless they want it, hehe. Glad your situation with lextran, and other bus-ways worked out in your favor, though.

Welcome back Drake.

I have a few friends in Canada and I agree; I couldn't live there.

Hey Gutshot, just a little info on the Lady LEX Expo. If someone is listed as a sponsor it means they have bought advertising space or several booths for the event. If an event is actually put together by the Lexington Center Corporation it will usually say something like "presented by Lexington Center Corporation". I don't think there is any more involvement in the lady LEX expo than an advertising sponsorship. I think ale8one is also a sponsor for this event. It doesn't mean either one of them have a real say in the rules of who may attend or what they can carry while attending. Carry on.

You may have more info than I do but do not believe it to be true that lexington center is the actual lease holder of the room that the ladies expo is going to take place in.
http://www.ladylexexpo.com/sponsors.html

Why do you assume there is no lease for this event?

You picked one event out the many that go on there and say it would be good for OC because it's put on by Lexington Center and has no lease. I didn't see where you said you got this information. If you stated your source for the info I must have missed it.

We will just have to disagree on this one. No sense taking up anymore forum space for our discussion on who's putting on The Lady Lex Expo. Lol. Seems like a funny thing for two gun guys to be discussing anyway lol. Good luck.

mellio said:

We will just have to disagree on this one. No sense taking up anymore forum space for our discussion on who's putting on The Lady Lex Expo. Lol. Seems like a funny thing for two gun guys to be discussing anyway lol. Good luck.

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Rather than endless questions, why don't YOU state the reasons why you feel gutshot is wrong? Are you coming if he's correct?

My questions are not endless. I just ended them in the last post. I too have reasons that I cannot make public. No I will not attend.

The bottom line is there is no cost and no ticket needed to attend and is open to the general public, so how can the expo regulate a firearm. They can't and state law prohibits Lexington from doing so. I'll go with you Gutshot

I might be able to go too. I'm off that weekend, but I'm in the middle of selling my house so I'll have to double check my wife's schedule & see if I'm allowed. LOL

The Lexington Gun Shows.

Some of my freelance work has been bringing me into the Central Kentucky region more than I had been over the past years, this means that I am attending more gun shows there as well and I'm in Lexington at other times as well. I have become a lot more aware of Lexington Center and their once infamous signage that has now bee changed and I have actually taken the time to stand there and read it all from top to bottom and I have been cutting directly through Lexington Center en route to the gun show on the other side where the gun shows are held.

I hadn't seen this thread until today but I have been exercising my OC and CC rights inside LC since these signs were changed and I have had lunch and mingled with gun owner's and non gun owner's alike at LC without as much as a dirty look from anyone. Like Gutshot, I have been feeling them out to see just what they might say or do and have yet to have any negative encounters, not that I'm looking for one, just making sure that all is as it should be there.

The next time I'm going to be in the are and around LC, I'll give you guys a heads-up and perhaps some of us can make a day of it. At the moment, I am planning on being back down, GOD willing, for the November gun show as I have a good friend that can't make that trip on their own (not familiar with the city and isn't used to the traffic in Lexington but they love gun shows). If anyone else will be in attendance for the November gun show, hit me up, we can all do lunch there, possibly dinner somewhere afterwards.

gutshot said:

I plan on being there. Its a three day show, Fri., Sat. and Sun. Keep in touch and let me know what day you plan on coming and we can try to get together. I haven't seen you in a while.

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GOD willing and scheds permitting, I will be in Lexington the morning of the gun show. I will post more specific info as the time arrives. If anyone else from the forum is planning attending this gun show in November, chime in and let's set a time and place in the Food Court of Lexington Center.

How about if someone lists the dates for these events in the more recent postings? I've gotten lost as to what's when.

Thanks!

I'm wondering how they "secure" your firearm while going into the gun show. I don't believe mine would fit in my holster with a zip tie through it. I haven't been to a gun show in a while but I guess they still will not let you in without checking and putting a zip tie on your firearms. I have carried at gun shows but didn't divulge the fact that I was carrying.

gutshot said:

This is an RK Show. There will be a table at the entrance. All guns will have to be proved unloaded and zip tied. The gun inspection is done by show employees. This is all voluntary. There is no search or pat down. People who claim to be unarmed can bypass the table. If you don't tell them, they won't know. If they found you with a loaded or untied gun you will be asked to leave. That is all they can do. Anyone that wants to be armed can remove the plastic tie and load their weapon once inside the show. Anyone, even those that came unarmed, could buy a gun, buy some ammo, load the gun and no one would know. This show is scheduled for Nov. 28, 29 and 30.

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So, after proving that your weapon is unloaded, and it gets zip-tied, you can just snap off the zip-tie, and carry on like no biggie? that doesn't match up with what you said about if caught with an untied gun, you'd be asked to leave. I'm confused.

But, I do wonder, how can you be asked to live a city/county owned building, even if it is rented out by a private corporation/event company? I mean, the property, and build is STILL owned by the local government, so wouldn
t you just be asked to leave the gunshow but not the building entirely? or could you technically disobey their request, since its public property you can't be trespassed [legally]? The finer points of the gun show always bemused me.

Also, WHY do gun shows, and gun events, demand that people have their weapons zip-tied and secured. You carry a firearm in a holster on your hip, at a FIREARM show/event, and they tell you to unload and secure it if you want to continue being at a FIREARMS event. I understand the intricacies of insurance needs and such, but that's why I dont go to many gun shows anymore, because of the contradictive actions of the event staff and policies.

It's like, WE HAVE BOOTHS FOR THE NRA! AND SIGNS ABOUT PROTECTING YOUR GUN RIGHTS! But wait, YOU want to come into OUR gun show with a gun that isn't unloaded and zip-tied? GTFO OR WE'LL BAN/TRESPASS YOU! YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS IN OUR EVENT!

gutshot said:

Yes, Drake you are confused. I never said that you or anyone else could remove the tie once inside the show and stay once discovered.



The law doesn't say that you can't be asked to leave a city building for OC, it says a city government can't ask you to leave a city building for OC. In this case the city is not asking anything. In this case the gun show has paid for exclusive use of the property and they may act as if the property is their's.




Its because in gun shows, guns don't always stay in holsters. They come out of holsters to be shown for sale, trade or fitting to accessories. All of this handling in a crowded space makes negligent discharges much more likely than in normal usage. Therefore, normal procedures don't apply. I've had literally dozens of guns pointed in my face at gun shows. I didn't like it. I wouldn't go back if it went on unhindered. IMHO it is an unsafe practice to have loaded, untied guns at gun shows.

Gun show operators can not violate your rights. Only the government can do that.

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True and valid points. Once I re-read your post and my own, I felt a lil silly that I didn't catch onto what you was saying; My apologies.

Still, I feel it's hypocritical to say one thing, and do a complete other, especially when its in regards to gunshows. Who are all about making it known they are pro-gun, and for gun rights, and constitutional carry, but at the same time, have anti-gun, and anti-rights policies for those in attendence. Yea, it may cut down on NDs and idiots, but the road to hell, is paved with good intentions, and the road to complete gun control, is solidified with words like safety, and for your own good. I'd rather risk someone having an ND, and everyone handling loaded, or unloaded, non-ziptied weapons, than to be safe and sound with everyone having secured ziptied weapons, and risk making myself into a victim if some idiot decided to go virginia tech on the gun show.

Rather be prepared for the unexpected, and the things that may never occur, than to be laying on the ground in a pool of my own blood, because I heeded some rule that sheeple demand be followed for the greater good.

Many years ago I started asking gun show promoters about this very thing. Now, either all of them conspired to make up and tell me the same lie, or...the reason that EVERY one of them mentioned was true: They could not get insurance coverage for the events without having that rule in writing.

Now I've never laid eyes on any of the policies but I have to believe that there's at least some truth to what I was told.

Gutshot, the idealist in me would like to disagree with your post above, but the realist in me can't. As someone who has worked tables at gun shows I have seen some absolutely ATROCIOUS firearms handling by attendees and vendors alike. It would give me the heeby jeebies to think that any of the firearms being toted in hand weren't zip tied or at least checked for being empty, at the entrance.