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    most infuriating open carry arrest video ever !!!


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    quoted for a better view...

    Quote Originally Posted by NosePicker View Post
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    outcome

    This happened over a year ago. What was the outcome? Any charges? Lawsuit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Birdman View Post
    This happened over a year ago. What was the outcome? Any charges? Lawsuit?
    The trespass charge was dismissed. He was found guilty of legally open carrying a firearm. It's on appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    The trespass charge was dismissed. He was found guilty of legally open carrying a firearm. It's on appeal.
    No linky?
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    The trespass charge was dismissed. He was found guilty of legally open carrying a firearm. It's on appeal.
    How is this possible? How can he be found guilty of a non-crime? I don't understand this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    How is this possible? How can he be found guilty of a non-crime? I don't understand this.
    He is the 3rd person in Vancouver who has been railroaded by the cops, prosecutor and judges and a jury. Vancouver has problems.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Wowwie!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    The trespass charge was dismissed. He was found guilty of legally open carrying a firearm. It's on appeal.
    No law in Washington against open carrying a firearm...
    Sooo,,, How do you appeal the guilt of Lawful activity?
    How can you be convicted,,, of something,,, Lawful?

    Soooo,, again, Wowwie!!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No linky?
    The last half hr or so is his story..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIOSw...hare&index=106
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Wowwie!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    No law in Washington against open carrying a firearm...
    Sooo,,, How do you appeal the guilt of Lawful activity?
    How can you be convicted,,, of something,,, Lawful?

    Soooo,, again, Wowwie!!!
    never quote your self...

    Sooo he was convicted of 9.41.270
    the same crime as josh70rolla

    the only people ALARMED by their carry were the Police

    The Claim and Exorcise of a Right may NOT be converted into a Crime

    a year old video and we are just now hearing about it
    Is Mack Worley a member of this forum?

    he is young but he does know a lot about interacting with cops
    he didnt talk too much, many do, but then, they didnt really give him many chances

    i noticed Hernadez was carrying a right hand gun and holster, but
    was ready to shoot him with her shot gun aimed left hand,,, hummm,,, training??

    His defense attorney needs to read and use "state v. spencer"
    mack didnt do any of the things that spencer was found guilty of, neither did josh70rolla.

    again,,, convicted of following the law!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Is the young man seeking redress under USCA 42 section 1983? If yes, then he is on the correct legal path. If no, then he needs to seek different counsel. Also when these clear violations of individual rights occur upon a citizen, a citizen must contact the FBI and file charges.
    After the adjudication of the criminal complaint, whether there was a conviction or not, then proceed to file the civil action.

    We hear and see many examples with regards to LE violating law abiding citizens constitutional rights however we see very few if not zero examples of a citizen following up on the incident. If a law abiding citizen is going out there to exercise his/her rights, that is great, however knowing how to seek redress after ones rights are violated is paramount to receiving proper justice.
    Plan accordingly.
    1- Have a working video and audio recorder and a backup one
    1A- Have a Constitutional Law Attorney on retainer.
    2- Have the FBI on speed dial
    3- Have a knowledgeable idea about 42 USC section 1983.
    4- Have a knowledgeable idea about 18 USC sections 241/242

    Bear in mind that while any criminal action/case is pending, the civil action cannot commence, therefore one must have patience and let the legal wheel spin accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    i noticed Hernadez was carrying a right hand gun and holster, but
    was ready to shoot him with her shot gun aimed left hand,,, hummm,,, training??
    Could be a eye dominance thing My daughter who's legally blind in her right eye was brought up shooting long guns left handed.

    But she is right handed and shoots her handguns that way she is a very good shot with both.

    Nothing wrong with it. My son shoots equally well with both hands and eyes hand guns and long guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    never quote your self...

    Sooo he was convicted of 9.41.270
    the same crime as josh70rolla

    SNIP
    (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.



    The police love to lie.
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    Anyone know how the call came in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Anyone know how the call came in?

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    Good question and one I think would have been answered either in the criminal case and or the civil litigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Anyone know how the call came in?

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    Why does it matter? There was no PC and no RS, they even let him go and then got pissed that he was walking a way they deemed to be the wrong way.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    never quote your self...

    Sooo he was convicted of 9.41.270
    the same crime as josh70rolla

    the only people ALARMED by their carry were the Police

    The Claim and Exorcise of a Right may NOT be converted into a Crime

    a year old video and we are just now hearing about it
    Is Mack Worley a member of this forum?

    he is young but he does know a lot about interacting with cops
    he didnt talk too much, many do, but then, they didnt really give him many chances

    i noticed Hernadez was carrying a right hand gun and holster, but
    was ready to shoot him with her shot gun aimed left hand,,, hummm,,, training??

    His defense attorney needs to read and use "state v. spencer"
    mack didnt do any of the things that spencer was found guilty of, neither did josh70rolla.

    again,,, convicted of following the law!
    I know Mack, he is at least aware of the forum. There is a chance he may be at our Picnic this weekend.

    He is going to appeal and from his own words "take this all the way".
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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