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    Any updates on Mack Worley?

    I was on another forum, and someone was asking what ever happened to Mack Worley's case (arrested for OCing a rifle in Vancouver. Does anyone here know? I did a search on here and came up empty. Thanks for any info you might have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badey View Post
    I was on another forum, and someone was asking what ever happened to Mack Worley's case (arrested for OCing a rifle in Vancouver. Does anyone here know? I did a search on here and came up empty. Thanks for any info you might have.
    Just posted the video of the encounter on the 4th of July. Not sure what the update is on the legal side of things but the video was crazy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cvipwCcm8
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    Just posted the video of the encounter on the 4th of July. Not sure what the update is on the legal side of things but the video was crazy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cvipwCcm8
    Guilty. Here is his podcast on the trial.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onthemo...-onthemoveshow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    Guilty. Here is his podcast on the trial.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onthemo...-onthemoveshow
    That sucks! I'll have to listen to the podcast. I hope he plans to appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    Guilty. Here is his podcast on the trial.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onthemo...-onthemoveshow
    About 95 min into the blog he talks about the trial, jury instructions etc.

    Guilty of RCW 9.41.270 ... http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270

    Snip from statue:
    (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

    I figure the DA said that carrying rifles is something that is not normally done today ... and this caused warranted alarm ... really, this guy's attorney has not read recent case filings regarding this point? Even if he did not point it at anyone, the state claimed (and the jury agreed) that the mere carrying, while not illegal, is enough to warrant alarm.

    Likely should have brought up open carry of firearms as being normal (handguns) ... and asked the witnesses if a handgun carry would cause them alarm too (likely would have said yes) ~ showing that their alarm is unreasonable....maybe they did bring this up- anyone have an audio link to the actual trial (maybe not .. some courts do not allow recording still). Or just ask the witnesses if people carrying guns cause them alarm...not even distinguishing between a long gun or handgun .... then ask how far were they when they saw the gun ... in range of a handgun? oops, their goes their reasonable standard...


    Penalty? from statue
    (2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1) of this section, the person shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.

    Conceal carry of rifle OK?
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    Another great example of why people are slowly losing respect for Cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    Another great example of why people are slowly losing respect for Cops.
    'Slowly?'


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    He's going to appeal. Give him some money.

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    Is there any newer source as to the trespassing allegations, the initial media reports indicated he refused to leave two different private places after being asked to....
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    Is there any newer source as to the trespassing allegations, the initial media reports indicated he refused to leave two different private places after being asked to....


    Did you listen to the podcast? It's all explained. Send him some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Did you listen to the podcast? It's all explained. Send him some money.[/COLOR]
    I wanted to, but my tablet won't open the file until I download the podcast app, in progress.

    Ill make the decision once I listen to the podcast wether to donate, which reminds me, I still haven't donated to MKE which I said I would....
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    Trespassing charges were dropped.

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    Vancouver seems like a pretty bad place to be in possession of a visible firearm, whether rifle or handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    He's going to appeal. Give him some money.
    +1 I just talked to him yesterday about it, he is prepared to take this all the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    He's going to appeal. Give him some money.
    Hard to just toss $$ w/o seeing/hearing the trial transcript ... IMO

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    Well that pisses me off, he needs to get ahold of rapgood to quash this thing now. this is why I have a membership with the armed citizens legal defense fund, but I will gladly help fund an appeal.
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    So....OC protest when? Im hoping theres something to be done to protest their actions.

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    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...p-Court-Ruling
    http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/in...name=353334MAJ
    http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/gunst...blished%29.pdf

    A similar case of open carry has been ruled on ... of course, in the Casad case (that's not a cite-able case??) the defendant motioned to suppress the evidence, won, and they had no hard evidence that he was carrying a rifle ... I wonder if the current guy's lawyer motioned to suppress..if not, then its waived.

    I assume Casad did not talk to the cops at all....unlike in the current case. (I think that the defendant in this case made a statement that he was openly carrying a rifle ~ not smart---why it may seem obvious, to a third person, it would not ~ and may have killed his chances of a suppression motion being successful).

    So the Casad case really did not rule that open carry of a rifle cannot be the basis of "causing alarm" but suppressed the evidence available in the case.

    Not having the transcript of the guy's trial, so I'm guessing ... I would guess that no such motion was made in the current case. It may be the first one then to answer the legal conclusion that carrying a rifle can be enough in itself.

    Again, answer no questions..none. You never know what will be used against you and what you tell cops will certainly not be used to help you, for sure.

    Of course, its state specific when it comes to carry of long guns ... in CT, here is a state police bulletin on the subject of carry openly, including long guns ... note.. its specific to CT ... but is interesting reading even to others & possibly visitors
    http://ctcarry.com/Document/Download...f-53af710ff219
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    As good as casad is, it cant be used because apparently the judges in the case figured it was a no brainer and didn't put it in the register(published). it is a crime to even reference it directly in court.

    US V black is a better example of how the police in this video broke the law repeatedly. there is also state V spencer

    Also if I am not mistaken didn't the AGs office stipulate that peaceable carry in itself was not grounds for warranting alarm.
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    Also if I am not mistaken didn't the AGs office stipulate that peaceable carry in itself was not grounds for warranting alarm.(sic)


    You misunderstand the meaning of stipulate, or you misunderstand the role of the attorney general, or both.

    The AG gives an opinion about a law, and that's about it (in this context). They've no authority to cause police officers, courts, or juries to conform to their legal opinions.

    it is a crime to even reference it directly in court.(sic)

    Really? What crime is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post


    You misunderstand the meaning of stipulate, or you misunderstand the role of the attorney general, or both.

    The AG gives an opinion about a law, and that's about it (in this context). They've no authority to cause police officers, courts, or juries to conform to their legal opinions.


    Really? What crime is that?
    Perhaps stipulate was to strong a word in relation to the AGs opinion, while it's true it cannot force action on lower courts, municipalities, or LEOs, it still holds some weight as it gives the state view on the laws in question should they advance to that level.


    As far as casad goes, the case has been referenced here many times, as I recall rapgood clarified it could not be used as it was unpublished and therefore inadmissible under Washington state law. with certain penalties should you try to reference it directly.

    Given all that I'm surprised this case even made it to trial. ther was no RAS of crime as stated by the female officer in violation of terry, they were stopping him for lawful carry in violation of DeBerry, further since they detained him illegally they were in violtion of RCW 9A 080 010 violation of civil liberties under color of authority-official misconduct
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    How about a protest by having as many OCers as possible go to Vancouver, wearing the same description (everyone in khakis and a black shirt with at least two cameras on) and see if they keep up their habit of breaking the 2A. Do it all in the same general area, so the different responding officers will have to pick which OCer to confront. Just with sidearms, no way to say that's "causing alarm."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlepnier View Post
    Given all that I'm surprised this case even made it to trial. ther was no RAS of crime as stated by the female officer in violation of terry, they were stopping him for lawful carry in violation of DeBerry, further since they detained him illegally they were in violtion of RCW 9A 080 010 violation of civil liberties under color of authority-official misconduct
    Upon watching the YouTube clip and listening to the blog link, I have to wonder if Worley's lawyer missed a procedural step that didn't allow the judge to kick the case pre trial? I'm not educated in the subject of what it takes to bring a case to trial but this story is pretty flabbergasting! Prior to reading this story, I would not have worried about being arrested, much less convicted, for walking down the street in Vancouver with a rifle at the sling. Silly me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenJohn View Post
    Upon watching the YouTube clip and listening to the blog link, I have to wonder if Worley's lawyer missed a procedural step that didn't allow the judge to kick the case pre trial? I'm not educated in the subject of what it takes to bring a case to trial but this story is pretty flabbergasting! Prior to reading this story, I would not have worried about being arrested, much less convicted, for walking down the street in Vancouver with a rifle at the sling. Silly me!
    From what I've gathered, Mack's "public defender" was a go along to get along hack who made more than a few mistakes.

    Mack is a young guy without a lot of resources and his appeals outcome has ramifications for all of us so anyone who can afford to contribute should do so, even if it's 10 bucks, give what you can.

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    What ever happened to the guy that was arrested for openly carrying a firearm in public by a pizza place. That one kind of dropped away. It seems Vancouver needs to be taught a lesson they are not above the law and need to follow state preemption.
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