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    OC in South Carolina?

    To all you folks in SC. Is anything being done with regards of legal OC in SC? Some states have gained ground but I am shocked that SC isn't one of them. Has anything been in the works? Just wondering, I live in NC so its next door and was curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople View Post
    To all you folks in SC. Is anything being done with regards of legal OC in SC? Some states have gained ground but I am shocked that SC isn't one of them. Has anything been in the works? Just wondering, I live in NC so its next door and was curious.
    The SC governor would seem to favor Constitutional Carry:
    http://www.thestate.com/2014/02/11/3...-to-allow.html

    The the bill behind the Constitutional Carry Act:
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_.../bills/115.htm
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    Six weeks to burial in committee a year and a half ago.

    S. 115

    STATUS INFORMATION

    General Bill
    Sponsors: Senators Bright, Bryant, Verdin, Grooms and S. Martin
    Document Path: l:\s-res\lb\023carr.hm.lb.docx

    Introduced in the Senate on January 8, 2013
    Currently residing in the Senate Committee on Judiciary

    Summary: Constitutional Carry Act

    HISTORY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS

    Date Body Action Description with journal page number
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    12/13/2012 Senate Prefiled
    12/13/2012 Senate Referred to Committee on Judiciary
    1/8/2013 Senate Introduced and read first time (Senate Journal-page 78)
    1/8/2013 Senate Referred to Committee on Judiciary
    (Senate Journal-page 78)
    1/10/2013 Senate Referred to Subcommittee: Bright (ch), Hutto, Malloy,
    S.Martin, Hembree


    View the latest legislative information at the LPITS web site
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_.../bills/115.htm

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsear...=120&summary=B

    Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Larry Martin, R-Pickens, said Tuesday he opposes the constitutional-carry bill.

    Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/02/11/3...-to-allow.html
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    He asked, "Has anything been in the works?" Not what has been successful.

    They're still trying.
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    Session 120 ends soon. All bills will have to be refiled for the 121st.

    Posted on January 14, 2014

    The 120th South Carolina General Assembly convened today for its second regular session. The NRA's primary legislative objective this year will be the passage and enactment of Senate Bill 308, which seeks to make a number of improvements to the South Carolina Concealed Weapons Permit. (CWP).[my emphasis]
    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...-convened.aspx

    S. 308 was enacted as 2014 Act 123 on 25 February 2014
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    Here is a link to the 2014 Edition of the South Carolina Blue Book legislative manual

    2014 South Carolina Legislative Manual 95th Edition

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/man14/manual14.php
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    The primary sponsor of the bill, Bright, is also the chairman of the sub-committee in which it was buried. Two of the sponsors of the bill, Ch. Bright and S. Martin, are also members of the sub-committee in which it was buried.

    What other political or gun rights affiliations have these gentlemen?

    Bright's CCW S. 308 was enacted as 2014 Act 123 on 25 February 2014, six weeks after the 2014 session began.

    ETA: Here's another way to look at the situation; why is there no gun rights activist in South Carolina that conducts his advocacy here on Open Carry Dot Org? Instead, they come here to advertise their agit-prop blog and pull local readership to an otherwise principled site.
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    Haley is in favor of it, but..........

    I don't think we'll ever see it here. Too much money and power behind the current permit system to just abandon that. When did you ever see a government give up power, other than by force? The local reaction to the issue of carrying concealed into a restaurant selling alcohol shows just how ill informed the general public is. As much as I"d like to see it, I doubt whether it could ever be sold here.


    oh, and btw, I haven't seen any local watering holes that are displaying "legal" no carry signs so far, but then, I don't get around as much as I used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    I don't think we'll ever see it here. Too much money and power behind the current permit system to just abandon that. When did you ever see a government give up power, other than by force? The local reaction to the issue of carrying concealed into a restaurant selling alcohol shows just how ill informed the general public is. As much as I"d like to see it, I doubt whether it could ever be sold here.


    oh, and btw, I haven't seen any local watering holes that are displaying "legal" no carry signs so far, but then, I don't get around as much as I used to.
    Negativism will not solve the problem.

    Look at the map of states where OC is legal. It didn't happen by accident. It took activists organizing, working together and through their legislatures. South Carolina isn't so different - it can be done!
    http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
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    I would bet if enough people rallied together you guys could at least get a "carry permit" instead of just a CCP. That would at least open the door for later. If you all do decide to get together like they have been doing down in Texas (which is working) Let us know, Maybe I can join you or at least make some calls. Good luck.

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    I'm not being negative about it.............

    I'm just telling you what the most recent legislative sentiment seems to be. When you can't even get the head of the State Senate to support an OC bill authored by one of his colleagues, what chance does it have? Larry Grooms, head of the state Senate, supports open carry, so he says, but doesn't support a bill that just throws the doors wide open to anybody who wants to carry. I guess he's in support of some type of system that is still permit based so there can be background checks, etc. And again, the local newsprint rag was writing articles completely in opposition to the recent enactment of a bill which allowed concealed carry into restaurants that served alcohol. As most states, you cant' drink and carry, but you can carry in to a liquor serving establishment now. But the local papers were all touting the potential for the "gunfight at the OK Corral" over the legislation. And the local mayor, Joe Riley, is one of Bloomberg's anti gun mayors group members. Not saying it won't ever happen, but it's going to be a long hard uphill battle in this state, primarily when the major population areas are controlled by the Dems, and they mostly don't like firearms in general. Recently someone petitioned the Mt. Pleasant city council (suburb of Charleston) for a zoning variance to open a shooting range in an abandoned grocery store. Plenty of parking, not real close to residential areas, etc, but the city council shot it down and it made a big daily splash in the local media. Anti gun groups sounding off against the idea, etc. SC just isn't as gun friendly in the larger cities as the rest of the state is in general, which is why when it comes to money and power to work against it, it's going to be a difficult sell here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    I'm just telling you what the most recent legislative sentiment seems to be. When you can't even get the head of the State Senate to support an OC bill authored by one of his colleagues, what chance does it have? Larry Grooms, head of the state Senate, supports open carry, so he says, but doesn't support a bill that just throws the doors wide open to anybody who wants to carry. I guess he's in support of some type of system that is still permit based so there can be background checks, etc.....
    How does he think a citizen buys a gun via a retail purchase? Walk up to the counter at Gander Mt., you pays your money and simply walk out the door? A guess here, the vast majority of firearm sales transactions are likely not private transactions.

    Ask him that question. Or, is he focused only on private sales?

    Anyway "...shall not be infringed."
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    too many "Larry's"...

    had the "Larry's" wrong. It's senate Judiciary Chairman Larry Martin who opposes the Bill authored by Sen Bright. I believe this is still stuck in committee and probably won't find it's way out based on Martin's responses to questions about Constitutional Carry.

    "Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Larry Martin, R-Pickens, said Tuesday he opposes the constitutional-carry bill.

    The current permitting process ensures only “law-abiding citizens” are licensed to firearms, Martin said.

    A “host of criminal violations” do not “disqualify you for gun ownership in South Carolina,” Martin said. But, he added, those violations “currently disqualify you” from having a concealed weapons permit.

    “Is it (carrying firearms) a right under our Constitution? Sure it is. But it’s also a huge responsibility that we as citizens should respect.”

    Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/02/11/3259329/gov-haley-backs-bill-to-allow.html#storylink=cpy"


    so I guess in his thinking, the government still needs to be involved in the permitting process somehow based on the above quote. I have not found anything more specific from him on this issue and I don't believe the bill has come out of his committee yet, if ever.

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    "...Sure it is. But..."
    Larry Martin, R-Pickens...you Sir are anti-liberty. You recognize the act as a right, yet desire that the state infringe upon the right via a permission slip.

    I'll be sending a e-mail.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Larry Martin, R-Pickens...you Sir are anti-liberty. You recognize the act as a right, yet desire that the state infringe upon the right via a permission slip.

    I'll be sending a e-mail.
    Here it is.

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_.../bills/115.htm
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    thus my point about the state never wanting to give up power and control..........

    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Larry Martin, R-Pickens...you Sir are anti-liberty. You recognize the act as a right, yet desire that the state infringe upon the right via a permission slip.

    I'll be sending a e-mail.
    All it takes is one fool with this attitude to deny the rights for the rest of us. I do agree, rights are rights, and you can not infringe them lest they no longer are rights.

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