OC for ME
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Boycott New Jersey.
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Law abiding Pennsylvania mother victimized by New Jersey gun laws
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FMCDH
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Primus
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Saxxon
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Be that someone would be as snarky if and when you get caught afoul of one of the 10,000s of gun laws that no one person can possibly know all about.
I'd grant that more involved gun owners might have gone to the trouble to find that out, but most people like this woman really aren't thinking that broadly about how the government is trying to violate their rights in regards to firearms. She found that she was a victim, that having a firearm would help her resist that and though that getting the license would be enough (certainly should have been).
If there is no intent to harm, there should be no crime - period. That is one of the problems with the country these days, far too many victimless crimes.
countryclubjoe
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sudden valley gunner
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Midwest
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The New Jersey Supreme Court has used "United States v. Cruikshank " which the Federal Supreme Court ruled that second amendment did NOT apply to the States and that 1876 ruling was consistent with the 1833 ruling "Barron v. Baltimore" that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States. At the time the gun laws were formed, the NJ Supreme Court was bound by those rulings.
However after "McDonald v. Chicago" ruling, the NJ Supreme Court is now bound by that and not "United States v. Cruikshank " .
NJ Gun Laws need to be revisited or thrown out because "United States v. Cruikshank " and "Barron v. Baltimore" are no longer precedent in the US Supreme Court law. "McDonald v. Chicago" is now precedent.
Someone needs to challenge all of New Jersey's gun laws because the prior rulings were based on the old Supreme Court interpretation and not the new one. I mentioned this in the NJ Gun Forums and on another site.
http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/70719-another-victim-of-senseless-nj-laws/?p=894564
Another problem with New Jersey is that the wording for The Second Amendment was left out of the 1947 NJ Constitutional Convention. Whether done by accident or on purpose is unclear.
http://conservativenewjersey.com/handguns-banned-in-new-jersey
In addition, there are no gun rights in New Jersey. Just a series of narrow exemptions in certain cases to possess a firearm. Read that again.
Then we have the 1966 FID law which requires residents to apply to the police for a firearms ID card before they can buy a squirrel rifle or even a BB gun!
Want a handgun in NJ? You need a separate "permit to purchase permit" for that and you can only buy a handgun once a month. And NJ considers a pellet/airgun pistol and a black powder pistol to be a handgun. No, I am not joking.
And that "Permit to purchase" does not authorize you to carry that handgun. And forget about getting a carry permit for a handgun unless you are an armed guard on duty. Or you are 'politically connected'.
If you want to bring your handgun to a target range, you have to go directly from your house to the range and make no stops along the way. No I am not kidding. And even that case the handgun better be unloaded, locked in a box in a trunk and separate from the ammunition. Those are the "narrow exemptions" in NJ's criminal code. Notice I said nothing about gun rights.
However after "McDonald v. Chicago" ruling, the NJ Supreme Court is now bound by that and not "United States v. Cruikshank " .
NJ Gun Laws need to be revisited or thrown out because "United States v. Cruikshank " and "Barron v. Baltimore" are no longer precedent in the US Supreme Court law. "McDonald v. Chicago" is now precedent.
Someone needs to challenge all of New Jersey's gun laws because the prior rulings were based on the old Supreme Court interpretation and not the new one. I mentioned this in the NJ Gun Forums and on another site.
http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/70719-another-victim-of-senseless-nj-laws/?p=894564
Another problem with New Jersey is that the wording for The Second Amendment was left out of the 1947 NJ Constitutional Convention. Whether done by accident or on purpose is unclear.
http://conservativenewjersey.com/handguns-banned-in-new-jersey
In addition, there are no gun rights in New Jersey. Just a series of narrow exemptions in certain cases to possess a firearm. Read that again.
Then we have the 1966 FID law which requires residents to apply to the police for a firearms ID card before they can buy a squirrel rifle or even a BB gun!
Want a handgun in NJ? You need a separate "permit to purchase permit" for that and you can only buy a handgun once a month. And NJ considers a pellet/airgun pistol and a black powder pistol to be a handgun. No, I am not joking.
And that "Permit to purchase" does not authorize you to carry that handgun. And forget about getting a carry permit for a handgun unless you are an armed guard on duty. Or you are 'politically connected'.
If you want to bring your handgun to a target range, you have to go directly from your house to the range and make no stops along the way. No I am not kidding. And even that case the handgun better be unloaded, locked in a box in a trunk and separate from the ammunition. Those are the "narrow exemptions" in NJ's criminal code. Notice I said nothing about gun rights.
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And if I were on the jury I most likely would cast a vote to nullify the existing law. no need to go into the technical and petty reasons that would convince me otherwise.
That being said, carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, just like driving a car. Maybe it's just me but I do a quick check of the traffic laws of states I am passing through/visiting just so I don't get caught doing something legal where I live but not where I am out of state. Right turn on red laws are a good example - some states prohibit doing so unless there is a specic sign posted saying you can. Did the same thing wrt guns before I got involved in RKBA issues. YMMV, of course.
stay safe.
countryclubjoe
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Saxxon
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New Jersey is a cesspit of totalitarianism. I was born there and left finally at 20, never to return I think.
Interesting points on the US Supreme Court rulings. Those rulings were essentially saying that the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states and sound fundamentally flawed, especially post-Civil War. Then again, pre-Civil War the US Supreme Court produced the Dredd Scott decision. I suspect in part though that the use of Cruikshank by NJ was selective and ignored other issues, because I have seen that same case quoted in a pro-gun stance as well.
Interesting points on the US Supreme Court rulings. Those rulings were essentially saying that the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states and sound fundamentally flawed, especially post-Civil War. Then again, pre-Civil War the US Supreme Court produced the Dredd Scott decision. I suspect in part though that the use of Cruikshank by NJ was selective and ignored other issues, because I have seen that same case quoted in a pro-gun stance as well.
sudden valley gunner
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Even in the usurpers in black robes horrible opinions in Dred Scott, they state a "citizen" has the right to bear arms everywhere in the states.
countryclubjoe
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Hearing is scheduled for Oct 5th
Regards
CCJ
Regards
CCJ
countryclubjoe
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I understand over 33k was raised so far for this young Mother's defense fund.
I only wish I were sitting on this jury.
Regards
CCJ
I only wish I were sitting on this jury.
Regards
CCJ
davidmcbeth
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I hope she never goes back to NJ for a kangaroo trial.
Kopis
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Im really torn on this one. I feel like the cop should've just said, ma'am, this is a big deal in NJ, turn around and go back to PA. If it was a regular white guy that this had happened to, would anyone care? Why does everyone feel like she should be exempted from knowing the gun laws in the area shes lives?
sudden valley gunner
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The color of her skin matters squat!
She wasn't arrested in the area she lives, she has a CPL and thought she was doing the polite thing by informing the officer she was armed.
Why is it on the burden of the people to know every government rule they may inadvertently cross. I bet you break several laws a day without even realizing it.
When the "law" makes you choose between it and morality, natural rights, and liberty. It is the "law" that is in the wrong not the person.
countryclubjoe
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Kopis
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Yes, I break the law daily, thank you. Anyway, carrying a firearm is a HUGE responsiblity, i still believe that part of that responsibility is to know the laws in your area. Fair, right/wrong is irrelevant. There are lots of males arrested daily for stuff like this and no one is up in arms raising money for them. I feel bad for her, it sucks the system is going to eff her over and i think the cop should've had the common sense to see she has no record, just got her CPL and clearly was just turned around on the turnpike mistakenly but the LEO also has to leave personal opinion out of their job. If they are liberal and in an OC state, they cant push their personal agenda right? In the same token, a right wing cop shouldnt let stuff go because of his/her personal opinions on it. You have to leave your personal opinions at the door as an LEO i would think. you're supposed to enforce the law regardless of color, sex, personal bias etc.
OC Freedom
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How can this response be topped? You are so right on.
This gal like so many new gun owners, are just starting to learn about gun laws and firearms. Like other newbees entering this world she made the mistake thinking her permit worked like a drivers license and that the police are your friend. Her only real offense is ignorance and being an honest law abiding person.
OC Freedom
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The Second Amendment is the supreme law on firearms. New Jersey is violating the law with firearm restrictions. The founders are clear in their written comments about the Second Amendment and what they meant about "shall not be infringed".