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    Let's collect "Virginia Bubba Laws!"

    Alright, inspired by another recent thread about "'laws' that just ain't laws," lets see if we can collect some of our favorite "Bubba Laws." Things you hear folks cite from their Uncle Bubba's second cousin, twice removed on their mother's side - that they're just SURE are rock-solid laws in Virginia... but just aren't.

    A couple guidelines, let's make sure we keep this VIRGINIA centric, meaning, there very well may be some Virginia Bubba Laws that are indeed actual laws in OTHER states. That's fine, but who cares about other states, I'd like to see this thread only apply to Virginia.

    And be kind, it's meant to be entertaining... let's try not to hurt anyone's feelings.

    Finally, remember the ultimate authority is a CITE TO A LAW or a court case opinion!

    A few of my favorites:

    Virginia Bubba Law #1: It's illegal to carry in a bank.
    Followed closely by Virginia Bubba Law #2: It's illegal to carry in a hospital.
    Virginia Bubba Law #3: Once you have a CHP, then you cannot Open Carry.

    See how this is going? Anyone have any other favorites?

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    Virginia Bubba statements

    You have to be 21 years old to carry a gun.
    http://johnpierceesq.com/?p=370

    You have to have a permit to carry.
    Open Carry is legal in Virginia in most places with or without a Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP).
    https://www.vcdl.org/chp

    You can't carry a gun in a "bar" in Virginia.
    One cannot CC and drink, note that OCers are not so restricted.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+SB334
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    "If you shoot them in your house and they make it outside then collapse, just drag them back inside."

    "You have to retreat until you can no longer retreat safely before you can use deadly force."

    "Virginia is a duty to retreat state... you cannot stand your ground." [actually saw this on a "legal" website]

    "You have to have a special permit to carry openly in Virginia."

    [And from the thread that inspired this one...]
    "As long as 1/3 of the gun is visible(or some such legalese), it is not legally concealed per Virginia law. In other words, most IWB holsters qualify legally as open carry in Virginia as long as 1/3 of the gun is not covered by clothing and such."

    [Along with]
    "Here in the land of Virginia, an iwb holster is considered an open carry holster so long as your shirt is tucked. As long as 1/3 of the gun is visible, it's open carry."

    [and]
    "As I understand it in VA, atleast 1/3 of the firearm must be visible (holster counts) so an iwb holster is open carry as long as the shirt isn't covering the firearm."
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    Remember that "machine guns are illegal in Virginia".

    My "authority" for this one is about half the people who have ever talked ith me about machine guns, plus maybe 3/4 of the cops I've discussed the matter with.

    And I actually had someone behind a gun store counter tell me that if I had a pistol with a threaded barrel I could not have a magazine with less than 20 rounds.

    I should not name my "authority" for this one to prevent unnecessary shame, but "authority" was part of the name of the place where he worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Remember that "machine guns are illegal in Virginia".

    My "authority" for this one is about half the people who have ever talked ith me about machine guns, plus maybe 3/4 of the cops I've discussed the matter with.

    And I actually had someone behind a gun store counter tell me that if I had a pistol with a threaded barrel I could not have a magazine with less than 20 rounds.

    I should not name my "authority" for this one to prevent unnecessary shame, but "authority" was part of the name of the place where he worked.

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    That may one day be the case. There have been several attempts to require such guns to have silencers suppresors and high capacity drum magazines
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Remember that "machine guns are illegal in Virginia".
    Why would anyone want a gun that shoots machines? Most machines are a lot more expensive than bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Virginia Bubba Law #1: It's illegal to carry in a bank.
    Followed closely by Virginia Bubba Law #2: It's illegal to carry in a hospital.
    Virginia Bubba Law #3: Once you have a CHP, then you cannot Open Carry.
    Those three gems are far from exclusive to Virginia, just in case anybody here doesn't read other sections of this site...

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    From another forum I frequent. I set the record straight with code cites.

    "You can carry concealed in any establishment that has a liquor license you just can't consume alcohol when carrying. If you're at a "bar" and want to drink you can't just throw your firearm in a glovebox or something either. You have to legally secure it where you don't have immediate access to it as if you didn't have a permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtjeep View Post
    From another forum I frequent. I set the record straight with code cites.

    "You can carry concealed in any establishment that has a liquor license you just can't consume alcohol when carrying. If you're at a "bar" and want to drink you can't just throw your firearm in a glovebox or something either. You have to legally secure it where you don't have immediate access to it as if you didn't have a permit."
    Almost right - one can drink an adult beverage if they are OCing - many don't consider it as good form, but it is legal.

    A. Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor......

    B. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises.
    https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/leg...d+18.2-308.012

    Note that open carry is not referenced - sooo by default OC and imbibing is legal.
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    It is illegal to carry a shotgun or rifle in a truck's gun rack when picking up the kids in the school parking lot.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    You can't have a gun at a (presidential) political rally.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    It is illegal to open carry at a poling place.

    (Obviously no carry in Virginia if your polling place is a K-12 school)
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Not specific to Virginia or even a "law" but----

    If you OC you will be the FIRST to be shot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Not specific to Virginia or even a "law" but----

    If you OC you will be the FIRST to be shot!

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    Let's not forget, "if you're open carrying, your firearm must be visible from three sides."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    Let's not forget, "if you're open carrying, your firearm must be visible from three sides."
    That would be illegal. Needs to be 5 sides. Front side rear above and below.

    Also your forgetting the distance requirement. Must be visible from 68" above, 36" in below, 53.5 meters from the front and rear and 42.5 meters from the side.

    Unless its a high point. Then it doesn't count as a gun because they are so bad. Its no different then carrying a cellphone. With no minutes. And broken screen.

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    My favorite is from a Roanoke Cop..
    "You don't have the right to remain silent unless you've broken a law. Have you broken the law?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    My favorite is from a Roanoke Cop..
    "You don't have the right to remain silent unless you've broken a law. Have you broken the law?"
    You should have asked him if he still beats his wife.... that question makes about as much sense as his.

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    How about: "Hollow point and armor piercing ammo are illegal to carry in Virginia.".
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    "Virginia is a duty-to-retreat state because it doesn't have a castle doctrine"

    I have also heard the "3 sides visible requirement while OCing" not too long ago..

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    It is illegal to carry in a vehicle w/o a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    My favorite is from a Roanoke Cop..
    "You don't have the right to remain silent unless you've broken a law. Have you broken the law?"
    Please tell me your kidding.... That isn't even funny....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    Let's not forget, "if you're open carrying, your firearm must be visible from three sides."
    Son of a gun, I heard this one years ago and plumb forgot about it. Thanks for posting it.
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    LEO: "If I can't see your gun then it is concealed."
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