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    Militarization of Police

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...tcmp=obnetwork

    I want the police to be better armed than the bad guys, but what exactly does that mean today?

    Apparently it means the Pentagon and Department of Homeland Security equip even the tiniest rural police departments with massive military vehicles, body armor and grenade launchers. The equipment is surplus from the long wars we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    To a hammer, everything resembles a nail. SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) teams were once used only in emergencies such as riots or robberies where hostages were taken. But today there are more than 50,000 "no-knock raids" a year.
    I found this to be an interesting article, especially since I just saw another thread that was talking the use of such things after Katrina, Boston Marathon Bombing, etc.

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    They have become the standing army the "founders" warned us about.

    Its a touchy subject but the 2A is an enumeration of our right to be just as armed and to resist them.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    They have become the standing army the "founders" warned us about.

    Its a touchy subject but the 2A is an enumeration of our right to be just as armed and to resist them.
    Agreed.
    I no longer have any confidence in the moderation or administration of this forum. Nonetheless, the First STILL protects the Second, and the Second protects the First! Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and other founding documents. If you're going to do anything at all, do it right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    It is unusual, and suspicious, that a lamestream media talking-head misses the opportunity to promote a neologism, particularly in this case a neologism so on-point as paramilitarization. A brief repair to a dictionary belies the militarization of the police.

    Much has been written about the paramilitarization of the police.
    Just read a book Junk English, you might enjoy. I didn't realize what a chronic abuser of English I am, hard habit to break, especially when I was never taught better.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Militarization of police

    John Stossel hits the mark again. I hope this wasn't posted already, I didn't find it and thought it was worth a read.


    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...ilitarization/

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    What's the big deal? As long as we are good little consumers we have nothing to fear from our benevolent overlords. Our purpose is to buy the products that increase a company's profit margin, without looking too closely at the amount that product has been marked up, or what those profits are spent on. And to provide the taxes that pay those that have been ordained to rule us.

    If we do as we're told everything will be nice and cushy. Raise your voice, rattle the bars on the cage, or even look the police in the eye, and things might get very uncomfortable for you.

    I found out today it's possible to get arrested for "civil disobedience." Disobeying our rulers is illegal.

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    I was a captive audience recently while someone was watching Bill Maher. I'd never actually had to sit through a few minutes of him before.

    I got lucky. He addressed the militarization of police and mostly nailed it. I found the clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVywCqvmC0E
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    I had posted this exact article with the exact same thread title in the social lounge a few days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    I had posted this exact article with the exact same thread title in the social lounge a few days ago.
    I thought that might be the case, but I came across the article today and thought it was worth posting. I didn't see it or remember your post so here it is again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    OCDO has its own internal search script/function http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/search.php

    And external site searches work
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    keyword site: forum.opencarry.org
    I searched for Stossel on this site and didn't see it. I admit that I was being lazy and didn't put much effort forth.

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    I love stossel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I love stossel.

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    Me too. Only thing on Fox I purposely watch any more.
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    ...if there is any doubt in your mind, I respectfully refer you to that famous...err, infamous, photo from the Boston Constitution Suspension Event.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    ...if there is any doubt in your mind, I respectfully refer you to that famous...err, infamous, photo from the Boston Constitution Suspension Event.

    Don't forget the INS agent pointing his rifle at Elliot Gonzales' face while he and his mother cower in the closet. They were so proud of that one they just had to show the whole world. Oldie but goodie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    Don't forget the INS agent pointing his rifle at Elliot Gonzales' face while he and his mother cower in the closet. They were so proud of that one they just had to show the whole world. Oldie but goodie.
    Elián González.
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    http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/12/fa...ce-helicopter/

    These dudes do not look like cops.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    ...if there is any doubt in your mind, I respectfully refer you to that famous...err, infamous, photo from the Boston Constitution Suspension Event.
    I am sure they took oaths to the constitution too........



    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I am sure they took oaths to the constitution too........
    North Korea has a constitution too.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    You know what's ironic? I think there's now a more compelling reason than ever to decriminalize substances, and that's to cut WAY back on the arming up of police and the way they use the war on drugs to run over rights and privacy, breaking down doors, shooting pets, killing innocents, shooting up the wrong household.

    It's not really about the substances, it's about cutting back on the number of cops, the over-entitlement of cops, the rampages and drug use on the part of the cops as they strive to become super-cops and rambos and just plain crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    North Korea has a constitution too.
    LOL....yes they do.

    I just find it humorous and sad how those who take an oath to the US constitution then work very hard against it. Our local county Oathkeepers have some great examples of that type.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    LOL....yes they do.

    I just find it humorous and sad how those who take an oath to the US constitution then work very hard against it. Our local county Oathkeepers have some great examples of that type.
    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...hapter_11.pdf:

    Sheriff
    I, A. B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will execute the office of sheriff of __ county
    to the best of my knowledge and ability, agreeably to law; and that I will not take, accept or
    receive, directly or indirectly, any fee, gift, bribe, gratuity or reward whatsoever, for returning
    any man to serve as a juror or for making any false return on any process to me directed; so
    help me, God.

    Law Enforcement Officer
    I, A. B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will be alert and vigilant to enforce the
    criminal laws of this State; that I will not be influenced in any matter on account of personal
    bias or prejudice; that I will faithfully and impartially execute the duties of my office as a law
    enforcement officer according to the best of my skill, abilities, and judgment; so help me, God.

    these individuals do not have an oath to uphold to the US or state constitution. i personally just find it sad.

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    Pentagon fueled Ferguson confrontation: Column

    The Pentagon might not have boots on the ground in Ferguson, Mo., where 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot by police on Saturday, but it does have wheels on the street.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/14006383/

    Militarized cops on display in Ferguson riots

    The developing violence in Ferguson, Missouri, where throngs have been rioting for several days over the shooting death by a police officer of an 18-year-old high school graduate, has put on display the country’s increasingly militarized local police force, according to the author of “Police State USA: How Orwell’s Nightmare is Becoming Our Reality.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/militariz...erguson-riots/
    More evidence on display.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...hapter_11.pdf:

    Sheriff
    I, A. B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will execute the office of sheriff of __ county
    to the best of my knowledge and ability, agreeably to law; and that I will not take, accept or
    receive, directly or indirectly, any fee, gift, bribe, gratuity or reward whatsoever, for returning
    any man to serve as a juror or for making any false return on any process to me directed; so
    help me, God.

    Law Enforcement Officer
    I, A. B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will be alert and vigilant to enforce the
    criminal laws of this State; that I will not be influenced in any matter on account of personal
    bias or prejudice; that I will faithfully and impartially execute the duties of my office as a law
    enforcement officer according to the best of my skill, abilities, and judgment; so help me, God.

    these individuals do not have an oath to uphold to the US or state constitution. i personally just find it sad.

    ipse
    There's a group of ex military and cops who are called OathKeepers, there are many who are not even in this group who claim to support and have taken an oath to the constitution, their actions prove their words false.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police

    If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.

    The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.
    Then towards the bottom of the article.
    Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.

    http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/
    It is unfortunate that cops are being portrayed as warriors vs. peace officers. It is also unfortunate that cops enable and perpetuate this portrayal.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Then towards the bottom of the article.It is unfortunate that cops are being portrayed as warriors vs. peace officers. It is also unfortunate that cops enable and perpetuate this portrayal.
    What's really unfortunate is that so many cops LIKE being portrayed that way.

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