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    Who Needs a Gun in a Hospital?
    http://entertainment.verizon.com/new...a_injures_3-ap

    Doctor fired back at gunman in hospital attack

    DARBY, Pa. (AP) A doctor who was grazed by gunfire from a patient in his office at a suburban hospital on Thursday helped stop him by apparently returning fire with his own weapon and severely injuring him,
    While not VA specific Since we were discussing posted Virginia hospitals in another thread I thought this would be of interest here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    Thanks but I was referring this to the Virginia forum due to a discussion here about local hospitals being posted. And some of us don't follow PA forum.
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    Virginia hospitals are classic victim rich zones. Without a doubt that could happen here, but w/o anyone on the scene to stop the BG.

    In the event mentioned, I hope the good doctor does not lose his privileges in that hospital or otherwise receive any administrative punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Thanks but I was referring this to the Virginia forum due to a discussion here about local hospitals being posted. And some of us don't follow PA forum.
    I spent all morning and from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm with my Doctor. No signs at the medical center and since I can't wear real guns, I had two NAA Mini Derringers on. One Magnum and one Short. I don't think anyone saw them but they didn't say anything if they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I spent all morning and from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm with my Doctor. No signs at the medical center and since I can't wear real guns, I had two NAA Mini Derringers on. One Magnum and one Short. I don't think anyone saw them but they didn't say anything if they did.
    My cardiologist, Dr. Kaminsky with Bon Secours Richmond Cardiology Associates at 8243 Meadowbridge Rd. doesn't object to my 1911. When they weigh me, I tell them to take 3 lb. off for my friends.

    Neither does LabCor object - right around the corner of the building next door for blood work.

    Heal first Peter (no that is not the same as when Jane says it ) then work your way back up slooowly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    My cardiologist, Dr. Kaminsky with Bon Secours Richmond Cardiology Associates at 8243 Meadowbridge Rd. doesn't object to my 1911. When they weigh me, I tell them to take 3 lb. off for my friends.

    Neither does LabCor object - right around the corner of the building next door for blood work.

    Heal first Peter (no that is not the same as when Jane says it ) then work your way back up slooowly.
    The smith looked real to me in greentop. Was nice talking to peter. must have jinxed me cause I spent 7 am til 10 pm at mcv the next day. Sounds like me with the naas, love those sneaky ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I spent all morning and from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm with my Doctor. No signs at the medical center and since I can't wear real guns, I had two NAA Mini Derringers on. One Magnum and one Short. I don't think anyone saw them but they didn't say anything if they did.
    You OCd two NAA mini derringers? Please tell me you have pictures.

    I've OCd a KelTec P-32 a time or two, but nothing smaller.

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    Policy versus Common Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Virginia hospitals are classic victim rich zones. Without a doubt that could happen here, but w/o anyone on the scene to stop the BG.

    In the event mentioned, I hope the good doctor does not lose his privileges in that hospital or otherwise receive any administrative punishment.
    I wonder if the 'Grapeshot Doctrine' might prevail here .....

    Office staff 'acted bravely'; doctor, patient had 'some issues'
    The psychiatrist, Dr. Lee Silverman, was grazed in the temple during the gunfight in his office Thursday afternoon with patient Richard Plotts, Delaware County District Attorney Jack Whelan said.

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    A spokeswoman for the Mercy Health System said the hospital has a policy barring anyone except on-duty law enforcement officers from carrying weapons on its campus.

    But Yeadon Police Chief Donald Molineux said that "without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives."

    "Without that firearm, this guy (the patient) could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition," the chief said.
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    While you're at it, be sure and look at the reader comments from the first link. Someone actually suggests the shrink coulda just 'winged him' ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    My cardiologist, Dr. Kaminsky with Bon Secours Richmond Cardiology Associates at 8243 Meadowbridge Rd. doesn't object to my 1911. When they weigh me, I tell them to take 3 lb. off for my friends.

    Neither does LabCor object - right around the corner of the building next door for blood work.

    Heal first Peter (no that is not the same as when Jane says it ) then work your way back up slooowly.
    I have taken the wife to the Bon Secours medical building on Bremo Road every 6 weeks for the last 3 1/2 years and I always carry. At some point early on I was told that the complex was a gun free zone. After our first visit, seeing no signage to that effect, I have carried ever since and not a word from anyone. Glad to know I'm not alone.
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    You know... many of the liberal persuasion would argue that health care is a "right," which means that being present in a hospital or other health care facility is also a "right." This diminishes their argument that it is permissible to make such areas "gun free" zones. How can you be required to give up one right in order to exercise another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    You know... many of the liberal persuasion would argue that health care is a "right," which means that being present in a hospital or other health care facility is also a "right." This diminishes their argument that it is permissible to make such areas "gun free" zones. How can you be required to give up one right in order to exercise another?

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    UPDATE!! Dr. Silverman, the Pennsylvania psychiatrist retained and complimented.

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    who had last seen him six weeks ago. Silverman called Hunt to say their patient had arrived. from link above this


    Nice how the system was able to ID the shooter six weeks prior; just shows the goofiness of even trying to.

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