Seattle Police Officer asks me if I am allowed to open carry.

Primus · Jul 27, 2014

()pen(arry said:
I joined the internet in 1994, as dial-up internet was just gaining traction in the commercial market. Very quickly, I encountered the stereotypical "If you knew who I was, you wouldn't insult me" clown. All you're doing is convincing me that you're a bitch cop. Go check a parking meter.

Lol your stroking your own ego. The internet thing works both ways. I wouldn't bother with the "if you knew who I was you wouldn't insult me" card because your just some chump behind a keyboard.

Hence.... I NEVER said " if you knew who I was you wouldn't insult me". I left it if you only knew. If you feel upset enough you need to ADD words onto it... Well again its a free country and you can do as you wish.

And that's awesome on your internet "creds". Glad you've been around the block on the "net"...

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RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

{Seattle is under a court order to remove those signs. I believe they had 30 days.}

I don't think that is going to happen. LOL

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
Call parks and ask them to remove the signs.

I like that park, never OC'd there though.

The park is absolutely WONDERFUL!!!

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

NavyLCDR said:
Even if he was trying to play cop games why not provide him with useful information such as, "RCW 9.41.290 prohibits municipalities from enacting firearms restrictions more restrictive than state law which are almost exclusively contained in RCW section 9.41. Since there is no prohibition on open carry contained in RCW 9.41, and since parks and recreation areas are not prohibited places by RCW 9.41.300 - the answer to your question is yes, it is perfectly legal to open carry here - otherwise, I would not be doing it."

I chose not to provide him with the information I pay him to already know.

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

solus said:
Commander, why even entertain a discussion, especially if individuals try to quote rote memorization of a statute chapter and verse to an idiot savant while the individual doing the quoting does not having a clue on a background understanding of the subject matter.

may i help you officer. repeat as necessary, then walk away.

like the op stated, the individual called his handler for directions like a good savant.

ipse

I am OK with this. He did not press the issue. If they want to be stars, I will allow them to be stars. I needed a new video anyway.

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
I agree. There's a hundred reasons that officer may not know if its legal to carry in that park. To include the fact there is a sign as mentioned that says its not. And if he doesn't/didnt know then that's fine since he clearly didn't harass or even detain to OP based on his lack of knowledge.

This was an oppurtiniry to do as you described to show multiple things....

1) the guy with a gun is q very nice guy.
2) he's a very smart guy and knows his s***
3) he's nice enough to take a second and help someone out in general.
4) garuanteed at the station or roll it would be "hey ran into one of those open carry guys. He was a real nice guy and knew all his stuff. He wasn't anything like the guys you see on YouTube."

We try to maintain a positive polite image/interactions with the public so not the same with the local PD?

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I have tried the "nice guy" approach with officers. I have found the assertive approach is best

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

solus said:
nawllll, i will give the nice officer the respect due in the performance of his duties but without them playing 20 questions about why this citizen is carrying a firearm. 'sides, it also sounds nice on my recorder :shocker:

the 'may i help you' query is repeated several times until there is some dialogue as to purpose of the nice officer's intruding into my privacy. i do not respond to their query about why i am carrying a firearm or depending on the locale, 'do you have id?' after several reiterations, the statement changes to 'am i free to go' and after several repeats i walk away.

ipse

A great formula.

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

There are many reasons to suspect the cop may be up to something though.[/QUOTE]

I suspected that, so I went with minimal dialogue...which is unlike me. LOL

RogueReflections · Jul 27, 2014

No cop on the planet has any excuse whatsoever for not knowing what the gun laws are in their jurisdiction. Any cop who pretends otherwise is so god damn retarded that they think they can fool non-retards.

Retards.[/QUOTE]

Yup. I did not know if it was a game or it was real,so I simply informed him I was aware. Whether he genuinely did not know, or was messing with me, he did the right thing in going on his way. The camera pointed at him might have been a factor. Who knows

davidmcbeth · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
Agreed. Some times are better to educate then others. But an attempt at it is still better then a missed opportunity.

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From my experience..attempts to educate cops are seen as if you are trying to kill their mother in their eyes.

Argue with cops in court .. not on the street. I just demand that they arrest me or leave me alone...most are taken aback by a person who says this ~criminals never ask to be arrested.

Dave_pro2a · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
Ok maybe he is "dumb" or didn't know. Again... A chance for the OP to rectify that and put forth a good image.

Is every citizen that stops I store and says "hey is that legal?" Dumb? Do we tell them to kick rocks? No. We educate because it puts forth a good image.

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Or that police officer was LYING to try and gain more information (required for a Terry stop).

Police are legally allowed to lie.

Lie.

Liars.

Why should I trust police? What other profession allows and encourages lying on the job - and even provides training for it. Oh, car salesman. Any others?

Primus · Jul 27, 2014

Dave_pro2a said:
Or that police officer was LYING to try and gain more information (required for a Terry stop).

Police are legally allowed to lie.

Lie.

Liars.

Why should I trust police? What other profession allows and encourages lying on the job - and even provides training for it. Oh, car salesman. Any others?

Maybe. If so he needs more training because that was s horrible attempt at "lying" or "fishing"....,"that legal?". "Yes". "Ok.".

Was he hoping the OP would say "no it's illegal ya got me coppa!!" Lol

I wish I knew the officer I'd send him a link so he could be flattered by everyone thinking he is smart and was just "lying" instead of him really not knowing something he should know.

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Dave_pro2a · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
I'd send him a link so he could be flattered by everyone thinking he is smart and was just "lying" instead of him really not knowing something he should know.

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As long as your profession promotes, encourages and rewards lying, then any reasonable person should assume all police officers lie during contacts with other citizens.

Living an honest life, yes it's a beotch.

You're a liar, a professionally trained liar. Why should I trust you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

sudden valley gunner · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
Maybe. If so he needs more training because that was s horrible attempt at "lying" or "fishing"....,"that legal?". "Yes". "Ok.".

Was he hoping the OP would say "no it's illegal ya got me coppa!!" Lol

I wish I knew the officer I'd send him a link so he could be flattered by everyone thinking he is smart and was just "lying" instead of him really not knowing something he should know.

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Probably to generate an FIR and hope the guy he is fishing for inadvertently admits something, or at least can lead the conversation to get ID and do a check for warrants.

Of course you know these tactics and are playing.......dumb?

Jeff Hayes · Jul 27, 2014

Dave_pro2a said:
As long as your profession promotes, encourages and rewards lying, then any reasonable person should assume all police officers lie during contacts with other citizens.

Living an honest life, yes it's a beotch.

You're a liar, a professionally trained liar. Why should I trust you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

That sums it up pretty good IMO, + 1

twoskinsonemanns · Jul 27, 2014

Primus said:
Ok maybe he is "dumb" or didn't know. Again... A chance for the OP to rectify that and put forth a good image.

I don't know how many good cops are out there. But I'm sure there are some. My neighbor is an extremely good guy I really like and happens to be a Trooper.

HOWEVER you take that "chance" to rectify his ignorance you really are taking a big chance. You open your mouth and anything you say can be used by him to come up with some way to jail you.
Each word you add is more substance he can sift through to find SOMETHING to ruin your life with.

Just don't do it. Just don't talk to them.
"Am I being detained?"

solus · Jul 27, 2014

Dave_pro2a said:
As long as your profession promotes, encourages and rewards lying, then any reasonable person should assume all police officers lie during contacts with other citizens.

Living an honest life, yes it's a beotch.

You're a liar, a professionally trained liar. Why should I trust you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

do not forget their total immunity from judicial punishment for their actions.

ipse

OC for ME · Jul 28, 2014

Primus said:
I agree. There's a hundred reasons that officer may not know if its legal to carry in that park. To include the fact there is a sign as mentioned that says its not. And if he doesn't/didnt know then that's fine since he clearly didn't harass or even detain to OP based on his lack of knowledge....

NO, there is only one reason why cop does not "know" local/state gun laws, he don't want to know. And, absolutely right, there is a sign and the sign must be correct and lawfully in effect. Why look it up when there is a sign right there.

EMNofSeattle said:
He was probably just trying to engage RR into some conversation, to see if he is a gun rights activist or something else..... Really sounds like no harm was done to RR or anyone by this particular officer.

...gun right activist...

You make them sound so sinister...exercising their right and all...out in public even.

wimwag · Jul 28, 2014

RogueReflections said:
I have tried the "nice guy" approach with officers. I have found the assertive approach is best

I've found the same thing. Nice guys get taken advantage of. Most cops who act that way are small men who compensate for it by being bullies and standing your ground scares them away.

MSG Laigaie · Jul 28, 2014

RogueReflections said:
No cop on the planet has any excuse whatsoever for not knowing what the gun laws are in their jurisdiction.

NavyLCDR said:
Neither one of the chief law enforcement officers of their jurisdictions had any clue about firearms laws other than what was necessary to issue a CPL and their local background checks they do for pistol purchases..

You all know this is not uncommon. The "Book" is very large and nobody knows it all. I worked for the US Army Recruiting Command for many, many, years. The regulation that covered it was huge and we were constantly reviewing and verifying to ensure we did not make mistakes. If you "bump" into a law a few times you have it in your mind, if not the reg is their to check. I do not expect a LEO to "know the Law", I expect them to enforce the Law. If that means backing off, calling a supervisor and checking the actual law. Wait a minute, that is already the Law.

OC for ME said:
NO, there is only one reason why cop does not "know" local/state gun laws, he don't want to know. And, absolutely right, there is a sign and the sign must be correct and lawfully in effect. Why look it up when there is a sign right there.

...gun right activist...

You make them sound so sinister...exercising their right and all...out in public even.

wimwag said:
I've found the same thing. Nice guys get taken advantage of. Most cops who act that way are small men who compensate for it by being bullies and standing your ground scares them away.

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