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    McKenna Park signage

    McKenna River Park, McKenna Washington

    Found this today while enjoying time out. Besides the obvious firearms issue, the dog issue is throwing me as well. All over the park there are signs that say no pets but the rules say pets must be on a leash, so which is it? I'll be sending a letter over on Monday to correct the sign on the firearms issue.




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    Also it says that it is patrolled by Pierce County sheriff dept., in Lewis county????????????????? Some serious drinking going on in the sign shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Also it says that it is patrolled by Pierce County sheriff dept., in Lewis county????????????????? Some serious drinking going on in the sign shop.

    the park is located in Pierce County but owned by the City of Centralia. It's across the river from Stewart's Meats in McKenna.

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    Also says "pets on lease" and then "No pets".

    I would add a sign .. "No Fat Chicks".

    http://www.starling-fitness.com/wp-c...fat-chicks.jpg
    Last edited by davidmcbeth; 07-29-2014 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Also says "pets on lease" and then "No pets".

    I would add a sign .. "No Fat Chicks".

    http://www.starling-fitness.com/wp-c...fat-chicks.jpg
    I don't lease my cats, they own me outright! (Dogs have owners, Cats have staff)
    Still crazy a "Centrallia" park in Pierce county.
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    received an email reply today....

    Mr. Starks,

    This property is actually owned and managed by the City Electric Light Department and I have contacted ML Norton the Director about your concerns. He can be reached at 360-330-7512.

    Emil Pierson, AICP
    Community Development Director
    118 West Maple Street
    P.O. Box 609
    Centralia , WA 98531-0609
    (360) 330-7662 FAX (360) 330-7673
    www.cityofcentralia.com


    so now I get to play the hand-off game.... I guess they don't know me very well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    received an email reply today....

    Mr. Starks,

    This property is actually owned and managed by the City Electric Light Department and I have contacted ML Norton the Director about your concerns. He can be reached at 360-330-7512.

    Emil Pierson, AICP
    Community Development Director
    118 West Maple Street
    P.O. Box 609
    Centralia , WA 98531-0609
    (360) 330-7662 FAX (360) 330-7673
    www.cityofcentralia.com


    so now I get to play the hand-off game.... I guess they don't know me very well..
    Presume they will
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    Do I smell another OC BBQ in the air???
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Do I smell another OC BBQ in the air???

    I'm about to declare one......

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    Bill,

    Your request was immediately given to our Yelm Hydro Project Generation Manager and he has plans to upgrade the sign and remove the gun note from the sign. We had to check with our attorney and she agreed that this item should not be on the sign. The conflict between the on-leash and no animals note will also be resolved. Our Yelm Hydro Project Generation Manager is a member of the Washington State Guard and he has been called up to assist with the fires on the east side of the state.

    Please let me know if you have any other concerns or questions. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner with this update.

    Have a good weekend,

    M.L. Norton

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    Centralia - City Light
    Office: (360) 330-7512
    1100 N. Tower Ave.
    Centralia, WA 98531
    MLNorton@cityofcentralia.com
    Direct Number: 360-623-1938
    Office Number: 360-330-7512 x238

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    Would beaches fall under this also? I was at Jetty Island in Everett and saw a sign similar to this.

    The island has park rangers that work on it so I wasn't sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlacsamana1989 View Post
    Would beaches fall under this also? I was at Jetty Island in Everett and saw a sign similar to this.

    The island has park rangers that work on it so I wasn't sure.
    city, state, county park areas fall under preemption

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    I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911Grunt View Post
    I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited"
    Which is legal wording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911Grunt View Post
    I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited"
    How classy of them. Honor is a word that they never heard of before.

    And how about that rule "pets must be on a leash"? If you bring a pet goldfish....lol

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    I was going to stop in there today myself. Thanks for the update.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 911Grunt View Post
    I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited"
    One does not typically see "unlawful firearms." Maybe unlawful people.

    They are just playing with the words to attempt to give the impression that they are doing something to protect people, when in fact they are creating a potentially dangerous situation for legal carriers........wonder if they care.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 12-20-2014 at 04:46 PM. Reason: Added dropped word
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911Grunt View Post
    I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited"
    So, will they seize the "unlawful firearms" and justify it in court with a civil forfeiture law like has been done with so many cars, houses, boats, airplanes, and cash belonging to others who themselves have never been charged with a crime but the local police agency had an arrangement with the feds on a percentage bounty of all assets seized!?
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    here are the 2 signs they have up
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    RCW 9.41.290

    State preemption.
    The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

    The sign shop did not make the signs w/o being so directed. So by whom and with what authorization? Ordinance or personal opinion? An ordinance would appear to be illegal and you should not be governed/controlled by the personal opinion of a petty bureaucrat, which has no force of law.

    There is no state authorization for such signs; therefore IMO they are illegal.
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    "unauthorized"? Who exactly is it you are suppose to get authorization from?

    Grape posted faster then me >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    "unauthorized"? Who exactly is it you are suppose to get authorization from?
    The owner of the firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Almost as bad as the Washington State Ferry that has illegally possessed firearms on their prohibited items list
    I looked this up on the Washington State Ferry web site and all they do is quote RCW 9.41.050. Are you perhaps talking about signage on a particular ferry? The only one I am familiar with is the service from Cathlamet and I've never seen any signs regarding firearms.
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    Originally Posted by CitizenJohn

    I looked this up on the Washington State Ferry web site and all they do is quote RCW 9.41.050. Are you perhaps talking about signage on a particular ferry? The only one I am familiar with is the service from Cathlamet and I've never seen any signs regarding firearms.
    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/pdf/2015Winter.pdf

    In the Safety and Security section.

    Prohibited items include,
    but are not limited to: explosive or incendiary
    devices, chemical, biological, radiological
    agents or devices, unlawful or illegally-
    possessed firearms, and illegal fireworks.
    Now there is an interesting conundrum - the ferries are part of a state agency, who it appears are not restricted by the statute. Would seem that either the legislature by refining the statute or the govenor by directive could clear this confusion up.

    No doubt though but the signage/information has a chilling effect on legal carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/pdf/2015Winter.pdf

    In the Safety and Security section.
    Thanks. I see that now. "Illegal firearms" must have been a bureaucratic "buzz phrase" at some time or other in their history. Their current "Safety and Security" website section approaches the topic with more clarity.
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