McKenna Park signage

Bill Starks · Jul 27, 2014

McKenna River Park, McKenna Washington

Found this today while enjoying time out. Besides the obvious firearms issue, the dog issue is throwing me as well. All over the park there are signs that say no pets but the rules say pets must be on a leash, so which is it? I'll be sending a letter over on Monday to correct the sign on the firearms issue.

golddigger14s · Jul 27, 2014

Also it says that it is patrolled by Pierce County sheriff dept., in Lewis county????????????????? Some serious drinking going on in the sign shop.

Bill Starks · Jul 27, 2014

golddigger14s said:
Also it says that it is patrolled by Pierce County sheriff dept., in Lewis county????????????????? Some serious drinking going on in the sign shop.

the park is located in Pierce County but owned by the City of Centralia. It's across the river from Stewart's Meats in McKenna.

davidmcbeth · Jul 29, 2014

Also says "pets on lease" and then "No pets".

I would add a sign .. "No Fat Chicks".

http://www.starling-fitness.com/wp-content/uploads/no-fat-chicks.jpg

golddigger14s · Jul 29, 2014

davidmcbeth said:
Also says "pets on lease" and then "No pets".

I would add a sign .. "No Fat Chicks".

http://www.starling-fitness.com/wp-content/uploads/no-fat-chicks.jpg

I don't lease my cats, they own me outright! (Dogs have owners, Cats have staff)

Still crazy a "Centrallia" park in Pierce county.

Bill Starks · Jul 30, 2014

received an email reply today....

Mr. Starks,

This property is actually owned and managed by the City Electric Light Department and I have contacted ML Norton the Director about your concerns. He can be reached at 360-330-7512.

Emil Pierson, AICP
Community Development Director
118 West Maple Street
P.O. Box 609
Centralia , WA 98531-0609
(360) 330-7662 FAX (360) 330-7673
www.cityofcentralia.com

so now I get to play the hand-off game.... I guess they don't know me very well..

Grapeshot · Jul 30, 2014

Bill Starks said:
received an email reply today....

Mr. Starks,

This property is actually owned and managed by the City Electric Light Department and I have contacted ML Norton the Director about your concerns. He can be reached at 360-330-7512.

Emil Pierson, AICP
Community Development Director
118 West Maple Street
P.O. Box 609
Centralia , WA 98531-0609
(360) 330-7662 FAX (360) 330-7673
www.cityofcentralia.com

so now I get to play the hand-off game.... I guess they don't know me very well..

Presume they will

golddigger14s · Jul 30, 2014

Do I smell another OC BBQ in the air???

Bill Starks · Jul 31, 2014

golddigger14s said:
Do I smell another OC BBQ in the air???

I'm about to declare one......

Bill Starks · Aug 1, 2014

Bill,

Your request was immediately given to our Yelm Hydro Project Generation Manager and he has plans to upgrade the sign and remove the gun note from the sign. We had to check with our attorney and she agreed that this item should not be on the sign. The conflict between the on-leash and no animals note will also be resolved. Our Yelm Hydro Project Generation Manager is a member of the Washington State Guard and he has been called up to assist with the fires on the east side of the state.

Please let me know if you have any other concerns or questions. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner with this update.

Have a good weekend,

M.L. Norton

General Manager
Centralia - City Light
Office: (360) 330-7512
1100 N. Tower Ave.
Centralia, WA 98531
MLNorton@cityofcentralia.com
Direct Number: 360-623-1938
Office Number: 360-330-7512 x238

rlacsamana1989 · Aug 2, 2014

Would beaches fall under this also? I was at Jetty Island in Everett and saw a sign similar to this.

The island has park rangers that work on it so I wasn't sure.

Bill Starks · Aug 2, 2014

rlacsamana1989 said:
Would beaches fall under this also? I was at Jetty Island in Everett and saw a sign similar to this.

The island has park rangers that work on it so I wasn't sure.

city, state, county park areas fall under preemption

911Grunt · Dec 20, 2014

I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited" :banghead:

Grim_Night · Dec 20, 2014

911Grunt said:
I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited" :banghead:

Which is legal wording.

davidmcbeth · Dec 20, 2014

911Grunt said:
I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited" :banghead:

How classy of them. Honor is a word that they never heard of before.

And how about that rule "pets must be on a leash"? If you bring a pet goldfish....lol

Bill Starks · Dec 20, 2014

I was going to stop in there today myself. Thanks for the update.

And how would they know if the weapon was "unlawful?"

-Bill

Grapeshot · Dec 20, 2014

911Grunt said:
I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited" :banghead:

One does not typically see "unlawful firearms." Maybe unlawful people.

They are just playing with the words to attempt to give the impression that they are doing something to protect people, when in fact they are creating a potentially dangerous situation for legal carriers........wonder if they care.

JoeSparky · Dec 21, 2014

911Grunt said:
I drove by the park today, the sign has been changed (working on getting the photo uploaded) it now states "unlawful firearms prohibited" :banghead:

So, will they seize the "unlawful firearms" and justify it in court with a civil forfeiture law like has been done with so many cars, houses, boats, airplanes, and cash belonging to others who themselves have never been charged with a crime but the local police agency had an arrangement with the feds on a percentage bounty of all assets seized!?:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

911Grunt · Dec 21, 2014

here are the 2 signs they have up

Grapeshot · Dec 21, 2014

[h=2]RCW 9.41.290[/h][h=1]State preemption.[/h]

The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

The sign shop did not make the signs w/o being so directed. So by whom and with what authorization? Ordinance or personal opinion? An ordinance would appear to be illegal and you should not be governed/controlled by the personal opinion of a petty bureaucrat, which has no force of law.

There is no state authorization for such signs; therefore IMO they are illegal.

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