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    Amendment 5

    Can someone explain to me what exactly this is saying? To me, it seems like if it passes then Missouri will have constitutional carry which is good because we as citizens shouldn't need to pay to protect ourselves and on rare occasions others. Is that what the bill is stating?

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    I've read that already and it seems to me like it's going to do away with CCW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hostile314 View Post
    Can someone explain to me what exactly this is saying? To me, it seems like if it passes then Missouri will have constitutional carry which is good because we as citizens shouldn't need to pay to protect ourselves and on rare occasions others. Is that what the bill is stating?
    I think assuming that would be unwise. But it is a move in the right direction. The money phrase in the amendment is strict scrutiny. If you learn what that means, you'll understand what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Only The Constitution Party represents America's conservative Country Class against the progressive Ruling Party of republicans, democrats and libertarian know-nothings, progressives all.
    So what are you trying to say the Constitutional Party is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    So what are you trying to say the Constitutional Party is?
    Gotta remember that Nightmare has a penchant for slinging esoteric data indiscriminately. Unfortunately many non-combatants are harmed by esoteric data that has been slung indiscriminately.

    The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions.

    http://www.constitutionparty.com/the...ion-statement/
    So, what happens when you have like minded politicians at all levels of government? This ain't my first rodeo on this subject.
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    Hey Folks.......election day tomorrow.....remember to vote for Amendment 5.

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    I am out of the country and having trouble accessing the sos.mo.gov website. is there any updates on the unofficial results of this? When someone finds some can they please make a quick post and let me know?
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    Yep

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    Very preliminary...

    Amendment - 5 - Establish Right to Bear Arms - Ballot Issue
    14 of 3898 Precincts Reporting - 0%

    Yes 509 74%
    No 175 26%

    Source: KMBC.com
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    Damn, we've clearly won!

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    65 percent right now t link to results way down at the bottom

    http://enr.sos.mo.gov/Enrnet/Default.aspx
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    Fox 2 News in STL is loath to mention Amendment 5. 1 and 7, often repeated.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Constitutional Amendment 5 569 of 3898 Precincts Reported
    YES 128,706 69.278%
    NO 57,075 30.722%
    Total Votes: 185,781
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    Here's a good site to follow it:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/e...CTION=POLITICS

    I've not heard any projections.

    [0QUOTE=Firearms Iinstuctor;2080319]Constitutional Amendment 5 569 of 3898 Precincts Reported
    YES 128,706 69.278%
    NO 57,075 30.722%
    Total Votes: 185,781[/QUOTE]

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    I still don't get EXACTLY what this amendment will do...Will it make Missouri a constitutional carry state??

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    Amendment - 5 - Establish Right to Bear Arms - Ballot Issue
    2528 of 3898 Precincts Reporting - 65%

    Name Votes Vote %
    Yes 446,313 64%
    No 250,447 36%
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    so if the constitutional amendment number 5 passes how long until it will be come in effectand will this mean open carry with the state preemption
    Last edited by Renegadez; 08-05-2014 at 09:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegadez View Post
    so if the constitutional amendment number 5 senses how long until it will be come in effectand will this mean open carry with the state preemption
    Immediately, and probably after a few court cases. We just need a volunteer with more money than sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    Immediately, and probably after a few court cases. We just need a volunteer with more money than sense.

    so tomorrow morning we can you open carry all across the state of Missouri. if the amendment passes is that what you are sayingp

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    Not at all. I'm saying that is likely what it means, but it is going to go through the courts for sure. You better have a barrel stuffed with fifty dollar bills for your legal bills.

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    so even voting this amendment to the constitution can still be challenged in court s*** is there any way to ever win in this thing and get our rights restored or what

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechanicworkman View Post
    I am out of the country and having trouble accessing the sos.mo.gov website. is there any updates on the unofficial results of this? When someone finds some can they please make a quick post and let me know?
    Looks like it can't lose now, just a few precincts outstanding, and the ones that are outstanding are very likely to vote for the amendment anyway. I think we can call this one in the bag.

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    95% Reporting, it's going to pass by almost 2 -1 margin.

    Constitutional Amendment 5 (Right to Bear Arms)
    95% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING

    Yes 490,565 66%

    No 249,755 34%

    I think the people of Missouri have spoken loud and clear! Would an override of SB 656 in Sept. be necessary now?

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    Cool

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