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    Well; looks like I started a little fruckus

    Well; looks like I started a little fruckus in the editorial section of the Grand Junction, CO paper. The wife, myself and another couple went to a local establishment for Sunday breakfast, the following Sunday in the anonymous YOU SAID IT column I see a post from a pantie wetter. We were gone week 2, but week 3 were 2 more postings so I went to the library and got week 2. I am polishing my reply which will be in post #2
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    To the editor

    As it seems I am the man at Spoons that has started a bit of a furor in the YOU SAID IT column lately, may I say a few words?


    To the original poster who did not feel comfortable because I had no badge or anything. You obviously saw only the gun and not the totality of the situation. I was wearing a nice pair of khakis, golf shirt and a fine Resistol western style straw hat, which I removed upon entering unlike 99% of men today. I was with my wife and another couple. We had our breakfast outside and when we were done we not only cleared our own table but another table that had been left a mess by previous diners because we know Spoons is a nonprofit operated in support of Hospice, a fine and respected organization. How's that for an act of bullying poster #3?

    Ask any police officer how many criminals they have encountered openly carrying a holstered handgun? Criminals conceal their weapons without any kind of holster so they can ditch their gun and play the "Gun? What gun? I ain't got no gun" game. It would be pretty had to play that game with a holster "strapped to my waist" along with the spare magazine holder on the other side. I embrace the Colorado Constitution which guarantees everyone the right to "keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property... but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons." (Article 2 section 13) The practice of carrying a concealed weapon was reserved to the card sharp, pimp, hustler and back alley thug. Honest men carried their pistols in the open with nothing to hide.

    To the third poster who spoke of the training required to be competent with a handgun. Are you aware on average someone going through a police academy receives only between 60 and 90 hours of training and only qualifies 1-2 times a year? The Peace Officer Standards and Training Board of Colorado firearm training requirements allows for academy trainees to fail to qualify 3 times with remedial training between each attempt before being able to qualify on the fourth attempt. That badge is not a magic talisman imparting firearms expertise. Most of the open carriers I know will practice at least every other month and some far more than that because we enjoy shooting and will fire more rounds in a year than the average police officer will fire in five or ten years. To most police officers the gun is just one of many tools they have, and just like you will not see a carpenter practicing with his hammer on the weekends, most police officers do not practice on their own.

    Personally, I was heavily involved in combat style pistol competitions and I fired 80-100,000 rounds per year for 15 years, that's more rounds a year than a dozen officers combined will fire in their careers. We had several police officers come out to a match, get humiliated and leave never to be seen again. A few realized the practice they got in a match was far superior to any official training they received and came back. Most became pretty good competitors after a while. Most serious competitors don't even consider the standard police qualification course of fire to be a warm up for serious practice.

    Finally to the second poster who spoke of my being able to protect everyone if "someone went off their rocker." I am no police officer. I carry to protect myself, my wife and companions. Sure in such an event others no doubt would benefit from my self-protection, but running to protect others in an unknown situation is highly dangerous. Recently in Las Vegas a man and wife killed two police officers in a diner and then the killers proceeded across the street to the Walmart and the male fired a shot and ordered everyone out. A concealed carry permit holder drew his weapon and closed in on the shooter, only to be shot in the back by the shooter's wife, though the Main Stream Media continues to call him a "bystander".

    When police respond to an active shooter they don't send one officer, they respond in force, wearing body armor and using tactics they practice where they provide mutual protection to each other. As a former Marine and Reserve Deputy Sheriff it would be hard not to "ride to the sound of the guns", but one must weigh the odds of one's actions and the consequences. As I said I carry for me and mine, IF I think I can safely help someone else I will. But every person has the guaranteed right to the means of self-defense and no right to depend on others to put their lives at risk to protect them. Right on #4.

    Just like my sidearm, I put this letter in the open over my name for I have nothing to hide.

    Robert X Xxxxxx

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    ...thank you for an awesomely reasoned response to the citizen comments...you represent OC well...

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    Yea nice letter you big bully....lol

    (sarcasm)

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    Very articulate, very reasonable response to those other letters to the editor.

    And, if an old retired Doggie can get away with it, "Semper Fi", brother.
    "Happiness is a warm shotgun!!"
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    Very nice. Well done.
    Advocate freedom please

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    Verbose, rambling, unnecessary, pointless.

    You might recall that antis are not persuaded by reason or logic.

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    To become competent with a fire arm takes hours and hours of regular training and a natural ability?
    I'm pretty curious how they formed that opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Verbose, rambling, unnecessary, pointless.

    You might recall that antis are not persuaded by reason or logic.
    Damn, and I thinned it down. I have no delusions of converting the antis, their brains are locked in stupid. It is the undecided, open minded folk I am after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    To become competent with a fire arm takes hours and hours of regular training and a natural ability?
    I'm pretty curious how they formed that opinion?
    Funny how he didn't offer up his personal qualifications but did mention the fact that he carries. Sounds like a typical-tacticool gun-snob to me.
    Advocate freedom please

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    I think it was a well written and thoughtful response. Good job.
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    I'll bet you're one of those gun nuts who owns a big F350 dually. Anyway, i would've just neener neener'd them.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Damn, and I thinned it down. I have no delusions of converting the antis, their brains are locked in stupid. It is the undecided, open minded folk I am after.
    Ahh, the muddled-middle, contemporary America's political battlefield.

    Zork The Magnificent: "I control one million Zombies! Fear my political acumen." P-resident Obummer: "Ah haz ordered one million and one units of tainted blood that I will trade, one unit for one vote." I was just reading today's xkcd comix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    I'll bet you're one of those gun nuts who owns a big F350 dually. Anyway, i would've just neener neener'd them.
    You forgot diesel I was real tempted to invite the original poster to move back to Kalifornia but there are quite a few undecided in the area so I decided to try a reasoned approach.

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    Talking frukus

    All well and good.........but how was the BREAKFAST?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    You forgot diesel I was real tempted to invite the original poster to move back to Kalifornia but there are quite a few undecided in the area so I decided to try a reasoned approach.
    Didn't mention diesel cuz it goes without saying.

    ...anyone who owns a F350 gasser (do they even make those)...well, Mommy's boy comes to mind.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Thoughtful response. A couple of corrections if you haven't already sent it off.

    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Ask any police officer how many criminals they have encountered openly carrying a holstered handgun? Criminals conceal their weapons without any kind of holster so they can ditch their gun and play the "Gun? What gun? I ain't got no gun" game. It would be pretty hard to play that game with a holster "strapped to my waist" along with the spare magazine holder on the other side. I embrace the Colorado Constitution which guarantees everyone the right to "keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property... but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons." (Article 2 section 13) The practice of carrying a concealed weapon was reserved to the card shark, pimp, hustler and back alley thug. Honest men carried their pistols in the open with nothing to hide.
    I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, just wanted to point these out since it will be published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    Thoughtful response. A couple of corrections if you haven't already sent it off.



    I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, just wanted to point these out since it will be published.
    Thanks; it's kinda hard to edit your own stuff because you know what you wanted to say and miss the little stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Thanks; it's kinda hard to edit your own stuff because you know what you wanted to say and miss the little stuff.
    Print it. Read each line backwards while blocking out the line above as with a sheet of paper or a ruler.
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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Print it. Read each line backwards while blocking out the line above as with a sheet of paper or a ruler.
    Don't forget to cover one eye, stand on one foot, and hop around in a circle also I hear this will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, just wanted to point these out since it will be published.
    Trying???? Denying it never works. You confessed and you know it.

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    Well done! OC is moving out and drawing fire.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    Thoughtful response. A couple of corrections if you haven't already sent it off.



    I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, just wanted to point these out since it will be published.
    Card Sharp is actually correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Well; looks like I started a little fruckus..."
    I think you mean either ruckus or fracas, but either way, NICE WORK!
    Last edited by BB62; 07-31-2014 at 11:06 PM.

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    ...I took him to mean perzactly what he said...

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