This should help you:
I'll be in Michigan this weekend, coming from Wisconsin, and I've read this link: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-without-a-CPL
But I still have questions. Coming from Wisconsin, where I can reguarly open carry without permit or license, and where I can keep my firearm in the vehicle as long as it is visible, will I be allowed to open carry in Michigan, or am I still required to register with Michigan, where I don't live?
Ok, if I'm reading it right (and it's possible I'm not, I just fix things for a living, I hate reading fine print and babbling legistlature lol), long story short is that I cannot open carry in Michigan without my CCL from Wisconsin?
Without a Michigan CPL, you can't carry your firearm in the car no matter how visible it is.Originally Posted by MCL 750.227(2)
I hope a case if put together just as soon as SCOTUS gets around to affirming the obvious meaning of 'bear' arms outside the home. A perfect plaintiff would be a resident of Vermont visiting Michigan or an expatriate U.S. citizen living in Ontario who frequents this state since they would have no legal means to acquire a CPL from their 'home' state and thus face the 'ban'.
Last edited by OC4me; 08-07-2014 at 01:04 PM.
Actually, I believe Evil and OC4 are slightly in error. If you have a CCL from WI (and I admit, I'm assuming having one of those means you can carry concealed) then yes, you can carry your sidearm openly or concealed, in accordance with MI laws, as MI is a "reciprocity" state where we accept permits and licenses from other states as being valid.
Without such a license or permit, then your sidearm(s) must be in a gun carry case, mag removed and chamber empty, preferably in the trunk of your car.
Why am I in error? My post merely pointed out that certain law-abiding Americans face a complete ban on vehicle carry for self-defense while visiting Michigan and that this would be an excellent avenue for litigation (once the Supreme Court settles the public carry issue). I did edit my original post to make it clear that there are indeed U.S. citizens who cannot obtain a CPL from their home state (as required under Michigan law), hence Michigan completely bans them from legally exercising the fundamental right of self defense in a vehicle. It is important to note that it is not necessary for Michigan law to ban self-defense in a car for everybody in order for the statute to be struck down as un-Constitutional, only that it is un-Constitutional for some otherwise law-abiding American citizens.
Last edited by OC4me; 08-07-2014 at 09:40 AM.
Definitely discouraging. Thanks for the answers gentlemen.
Just to clarify, open carry outside of the vehicle also requires a Michigan CPL or my homestate equivalent, correct?
So, that is an 'or'. So if you have, similar to Michigan, a process whereby you obtain a permit to purchase a pistol, or for example some states have open carry permits, or something of that nature, it doesn't necessarily have to be a Concealed Carry permit.Originally Posted by MCL 28.422 Subsection 8
I haven't yet sent in my application for my CCL here in Wisconsin, but we are allowed to open carry without permits.
If the above post is an a or b or c kind of scenario, then it would seem to me that I can open carry based on the fact that I'm allowed to do so in Wisconsin, as well as I own the firearm that I carry, plus I'm only there for the weekend (less than 180 days).
I cannot speak for Indiana, but it's my understanding that in Illinois I can carry my weapon in the same fashion as I do in Wisconsin.....as long as I don't leave my vehicle (must be in plain sight).
I'm not overly worried about my travel through Illinois or Indiana, I won't be stopping between Wisconsin and Michigan. Wont be stopping anywhere until I need fuel in Michigan, and then when I reach my destination.
(8) An individual who is not a resident of this state is not required to obtain a license under this section if all of the following conditions apply:
(a) The individual is licensed in his or her state of residence to purchase, carry, or transport a pistol.
(b) The individual is in possession of the license described in subdivision (a).
(c) The individual is the owner of the pistol he or she possesses, carries, or transports."
You are good to conceal in your vehicle through Ill.I cannot speak for Indiana, but it's my understanding that in Illinois I can carry my weapon in the same fashion as I do in Wisconsin.....as long as I don't leave my vehicle (must be in plain sight).
"HB183 Section 40.
(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act."
Again sorry get that Wisconsin CCL
The news media plays politics more than the politicians do.
'Every person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state'.,
The only way to get a conviction for the possession or use of any item listed in the above cited MCL 750.227, much less a firearm, every single government employee from the arresting officer, to the warden would have to break the oath of office they took in defense of your and my rights from in this case, domestic enemies.
Political correctness would require us to refer to these types as terrorists.
Last edited by Plan B; 08-09-2014 at 08:46 PM.
(8) An individual who is not a resident of this state is not required to obtain a license under this section if all of the following conditions apply:"
Hmmm.....this has got me thinking. Can a non-resident apply for and obtain a Michigan CPL or are only Michigan residents allowed?
I ran into someone like you the other day online. Kept rightously arguing that the 2nd Amendment is all you needed, and was prattling on about Acts are not Laws, and something about two different States of Michigan and Maritime law.
Going all Constitutional is fine and all, but I try and keep at least one foot in reality, lest both feet end up in prison.