Another shopper, 37-year-old Angela Williams, collapsed and died as she scrambled to get away after police fired at Crawford.
Pavlovian response...genetics....The supervisors should NEVER comment and claim a shooting is justified until completely investigated.
Whether the officers were justified is up in the air, the Chief of Police screwed the pooch with his comment.
Proximate cause. "Medical condition" is meaningless from the media or a cop.
...likely a heart attack or stroke...autopsy planned: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...-shot-by-police-in-wal-mart-store-was-waving/
This entire event was over reacted. It appears the person who called also was shouting "man with a gun" forcing everyone into a panic. Other people who past by him didnt have issues. He was also in the store for a long while being observed by the couple that called.
Heres my questions...
Is the rifle sold at Wallmart in an box?
If sold in a box, why did he remove it?
When the call came in the dispatcher should have asked more questions about the behavior of the man?
Cops came in guns drawn after hearing no shots?
Cops did not observe the suspect from a distance to determine course of action?
Cops gave no ample time for the suspect to drop the gun after barking out commands?
The officer involvered was also involved in a deadly shooting back in 2010. That shooting was declared justified.
I open carry with my wife all time at this Wallmart and have had no problem. And after this incident it makes me very causious to open carry arround this store. We are on pins and needles. The attitude of the cops need to change. The culture of law enforcement is corrupt. Its pretty bad when I hear anti gunners rant that all they have to do is call the police to take care of an open carrier.
This cannot be blamed on the cops, while it may have pushed her death a tad sooner, healthy people do not die from short term stress.
This entire event was over reacted. It appears the person who called also was shouting "man with a gun" forcing everyone into a panic. Other people who past by him didn't have issues. He was also in the store for a long while being observed by the couple that called.*
Here's my questions...
Is the rifle sold at Walmart in an box?
If sold in a box, why did he remove it?
When the call came in the dispatcher should have asked more questions about the behavior of the man?
Cops came in guns drawn after hearing no shots?
Cops did not observe the suspect from a distance to determine course of action?
Cops gave no ample time for the suspect to drop the gun after barking out commands?
The officer involved was also involved in a deadly shooting back in 2010. That shooting was declared justified.
I open carry with my wife all time at this Walmart and have had no problem. And after this incident it makes me very cautious to open carry around this store. We are on pins and needles. The attitude of the cops need to change. .....
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Without us being able to see any security footage, lets just say the police shot the man without justification or allowing him any time to comply with their orders, such as "drop the weapon" or "get down", would not them shooting, thus creating the stressful situation be their fault? After all, if it turns out the man was not in any way doing anything illegal with the toy gun, such as pointing it at people or doing anything else threatening, then it would mean the police shot him without justification, which further scared others in the area which may have resulted in the stress which killed this woman.
Of course, this is assuming she died after they fired the shots. I'm not entirely of the exact sequence of events (did she die running out as the police entered, or running out after the police opened fire?).
Just my thoughts.
I don't know the justification for the shooting, more information needed. What I do know is healthy people, or people in fair health do not just keel over from short term stress or even pain. A person must be on deaths door for that to happen, now it may have speed up what was already happening, heart disease, but you are talking probably no more than a month or so.Without us being able to see any security footage, lets just say the police shot the man without justification or allowing him any time to comply with their orders, such as "drop the weapon" or "get down", would not them shooting, thus creating the stressful situation be their fault? After all, if it turns out the man was not in any way doing anything illegal with the toy gun, such as pointing it at people or doing anything else threatening, then it would mean the police shot him without justification, which further scared others in the area which may have resulted in the stress which killed this woman.
Of course, this is assuming she died after they fired the shots. I'm not entirely of the exact sequence of events (did she die running out as the police entered, or running out after the police opened fire?).
Just my thoughts.
...this link from above explains that... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-w...ing-toy-rifle/
I don't know the justification for the shooting, more information needed. What I do know is healthy people, or people in fair health do not just keel over from short term stress or even pain. A person must be on deaths door for that to happen, now it may have speed up what was already happening, heart disease, but you are talking probably no more than a month or so.
I have a weak heart, though not as bad as some and worse than most. My EF after surgery and before DF/pacemaker was implanted was less than 30%. And I didn't die after the surgery even considering I woke up during surgery. Talk about stress having your whole chest split open, tied down, and tubes in your throat so you can't call out for help. Long term stress is a killer, it is one of those factors that increases the production of fat in the blood. Not a doctor but I have had it explained to me enough times by doctors. Lack of exercise, smoking, drinking, stress, weight, eating habits as well as family history bring on heart disease, but this is all long term. One incident of stress did not kill her, she was going to die, IMO her death cannot be blamed on police, even if they unjustly shot the young man.