4 Brothers posts no firearms signs

pnorm · Aug 9, 2014

The 4 Brothers at Meadowlark and Robinhood in Winston is now posted no firearms.
I have sent an email to them lodging my complaint and they will no longer get my money at any location.

Has anyone seen other locations posted no firearms?

papa bear · Aug 9, 2014

I guess they don't remember the time someone tried to shoot one of their clerks and was saved by a person in the store with a gun

pnorm · Aug 11, 2014

Response from 4 Brothers/Beroth Oil:

Thank you so much for being the loyal customer that you are and for bringing this issue to our attention. We are very sorry and disturbed that this upset you as it certainly was not our intent! As avid supporters of our 2nd amendment rights we in no way want you or any other legal permit holder to not feel welcome in our stores!

We posted this notice in response to concerns from our employee's and customers regarding seeing some of our customers openly carrying their firearms inside our stores. Not a thing wrong with open carry other than actually seeing a weapon does frighten people!

We also agree with you that this does nothing regarding criminals.

As a result of your concerns we will be removing these notices and replacing them with No Open Carry Notices. Hopefully you and all other responsible gum owners can understand the concerns some people have when seeing someone enter a store with a weapon!

Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention!

I responded stating that would make no difference as I open and conceal depending on the day/weather etc.
I'll post any further responses.

JamesCanby · Aug 11, 2014

pnorm said:
Response from 4 Brothers/Beroth Oil:

Thank you so much for being the loyal customer that you are and for bringing this issue to our attention. We are very sorry and disturbed that this upset you as it certainly was not our intent! As avid supporters of our 2nd amendment rights we in no way want you or any other legal permit holder to not feel welcome in our stores!

We posted this notice in response to concerns from our employee's and customers regarding seeing some of our customers openly carrying their firearms inside our stores. Not a thing wrong with open carry other than actually seeing a weapon does frighten people!

We also agree with you that this does nothing regarding criminals.

As a result of your concerns we will be removing these notices and replacing them with No Open Carry Notices. Hopefully you and all other responsible gum owners can understand the concerns some people have when seeing someone enter a store with a weapon!

Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention!

I responded stating that would make no difference as I open and conceal depending on the day/weather etc.
I'll post any further responses.

Hmmmm... suppose I said that people wearing red shirts frightened me? Would they post a "No Red Shirts" sign, or would they simply say that I was being paranoid and that my fears had no basis in reality? In the 1950's (and, yes, I'm old enough to remember) there were signs that said "No Colored" and people who called the police because they saw a "colored" person in their neighborhood and were "afraid." We must continue to be firm in our resolve not to patronize companies that discriminate against the 2nd Amendment and States' rights of law abiding citizens.

bc.cruiser · Aug 11, 2014

pnorm said:
Response from 4 Brothers/Beroth Oil:

Thank you so much for being the loyal customer that you are and for bringing this issue to our attention. We are very sorry and disturbed that this upset you as it certainly was not our intent! As avid supporters of our 2nd amendment rights we in no way want you or any other legal permit holder to not feel welcome in our stores!

We posted this notice in response to concerns from our employee's and customers regarding seeing some of our customers openly carrying their firearms inside our stores. Not a thing wrong with open carry other than actually seeing a weapon does frighten people!

We also agree with you that this does nothing regarding criminals.

As a result of your concerns we will be removing these notices and replacing them with No Open Carry Notices. Hopefully you and all other responsible gum owners can understand the concerns some people have when seeing someone enter a store with a weapon!

Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention!

I responded stating that would make no difference as I open and conceal depending on the day/weather etc.
I'll post any further responses.

I'm afraid my rebuttal would be that you cannot be an "avid supporter" if you restrict something in any way. If a business cannot have a customer OC because of perception, then my dollars will remain CC in my wallet.

solus · Aug 11, 2014

pnorm, excellent try and it just means we spend our hard earned money else where.

ipse

Rusty Young Man · Aug 12, 2014

Maybe I'm afraid of _______, and I think they should all be banned because they make me uncomfortable. (HEAVY sarcasm, for whoever didn't want to catch it or chose to ignore it, just like you ignore the facts we OCers bring to the table:lol

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[Insert any of the following and watch how many feathers are ruffled

: "colored people", "Irish", Jews", Native Americans, Mexicans, gays, ad infinitum].

As JamesCanby pointed out, wouldn't the voicing/practicing of such irrational ideas draw accusations of paranoia or a disconnect from reality (besides the usual "racist", "homophobe", etc. the antis love to throw out)?

bc.cruiser said:
SNIP...If your business cannot have a customer OC because of perception, then my dollars will remain CC in my wallet.

(Bolding is MY edit)
I see the potential for a great OC lunch shirt.

:banana:

pnorm · Aug 12, 2014

solus said:
pnorm, excellent try and it just means we spend our hard earned money else where.

ipse

Thanks.
I seem to have ruffled the feathers of some concealed carriers on another forum for stating I would still not shop there.
Seems they feel it is a big win to allow concealed but no open carry.

Rights slowly turned to privilege with a fee/tax and then rights eventually lost...

solus · Aug 12, 2014

pnorm said:
Thanks.
I seem to have ruffled the feathers of some concealed carriers on another forum for stating I would still not shop there.
Seems they feel it is a big win to allow concealed but no open carry.

Rights slowly turned to privilege with a fee/tax and then rights eventually lost...

well when you have the 'grass roots' group only pushing CC it happens that way...
ipse

papa bear · Aug 12, 2014

solus said:
well when you have the 'grass roots' group only pushing cc it happens that way...
Ipse

amen solus

XD40sc · Aug 12, 2014

pnorm said:
Thanks.
I seem to have ruffled the feathers of some concealed carriers on another forum for stating I would still not shop there.
Seems they feel it is a big win to allow concealed but no open carry.

Rights slowly turned to privilege with a fee/tax and then rights eventually lost...

Doesn't ruffle my feathers, it is purely your call.

I also CC into locations where an OC is illegal, primarily a restaurant that serves any alcohol, which is most places I would care to eat.
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On the flip side, my credit union is posted "no concealed carry" which would not prohibit OC.

XD40sc · Aug 12, 2014

solus said:
well when you have the 'grass roots' group only pushing CC it happens that way...
ipse

The purpose of GRNC is probably unknown to anyone that is not a gun owner, or in elected office in the state.

solus · Aug 12, 2014

XD40sc said:
The purpose of GRNC is probably unknown to anyone that is not a gun owner, or in elected office in the state.

unless you read the olde thread with the grass root's president preaching his speel of their organization's cc only and automatic weapon agenda.

apparently the agenda is close hold even from the membership from what i read in that thread.

ipse

pnorm · Aug 13, 2014

As of 8/12 5:30Pm the no firearms signs have been removed from this location.
Hopefully no other signs will go up.

OC for ME · Aug 13, 2014

XD40sc said:
...On the flip side, my credit union is posted "no concealed carry" which would not prohibit OC.

True, in the literal sense. How would they know that you are CC if concealed means concealed?

A conundrum...

wittmeba · Aug 13, 2014

pnorm said:
The 4 Brothers at Meadowlark and Robinhood in Winston is now posted no firearms.
I have sent an email to them lodging my complaint and they will no longer get my money at any location...

Thank you. These businesses need to feel the result and know why it happens.

No open carry is much better

Don't forget about printing these:

or pick your handgun:
http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/

I think I feel a little different. Here is a business trying to keep "ALL" their customers happy - not just 2A supporters. Their attempt is commendable although it may not be exactly what some would want. Sometimes you have to give a little to take a little and keep working toward your goal.

Thanks for your effort.

XD40sc · Aug 13, 2014

solus said:
unless you read the olde thread with the grass root's president preaching his speel of their organization's cc only and automatic weapon agenda.

apparently the agenda is close hold even from the membership from what i read in that thread.

ipse

First, if they are reading an 'old' thread on a gun/carry forum, they are most likely a gun owner, or are considering purchasing a gun, not a liberal candy ass that wets themselves when someone mentions a gun.

GRNC is also trying to have all records of gun registrations in Durham County destroyed since the legislature eliminated gun registration in the count earlier this year. This effects ALL gun owners, the vast majority of which are NOT CHP holders.

JamesCanby · Aug 13, 2014

wittmeba said:
Thank you. These businesses need to feel the result and know why it happens.

No open carry is much better

Don't forget about printing these:

or pick your handgun:
http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/

I think I feel a little different. Here is a business trying to keep "ALL" their customers happy - not just 2A supporters. Their attempt is commendable although it may not be exactly what some would want. Sometimes you have to give a little to take a little and keep working toward your goal.

Thanks for your effort.

Perhaps it's different in North Carolina, but I don't need a "license" to openly carry a firearm in Virginia. I like your cards, and VCDL has a similar card, but I don't care for the "licensed" part. Even the VCDL card explains on its back that "As a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit holder, I have No felony or DV convictions, etc." I think even that card could be modified by dropping the language identifying a carrier as having a CHP. All of their points about no felonies, no mental defects, passing a background check and being trained could still be valid.

Yes, having a CHP kind of "validates" those items, but can't most gun owners say the same thing? I guess it's there just to give the recipient warm, fuzzy feelings about what a good guy the holder is...

papa bear · Aug 13, 2014

XD40sc said:
Doesn't ruffle my feathers, it is purely your call.

I also CC into locations where an OC is illegal, primarily a restaurant that serves any alcohol, which is most places I would care to eat.
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On the flip side, my credit union is posted "no concealed carry" which would not prohibit OC.

first it is not illegal to OC in a restaurant that serves alcohol, all you have to do is ask the owner

next if it says "no concealed carry" then it is OK to OC. in either case they would have to ask you to leave' and why you would want to pay someone to deny you your civil rights is beyond me.

Jsh · Aug 13, 2014

Owners permission

I hear asking permission of owners a lot but if it is a chain would asking management suffice or do you need to email corporate about that?

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