was he a constable ?
Thread: Open Carry win in Swissvalle
Went grocery shopping at the Giant Eagle in Swissvalle Pa the other day and I was stopped by the store security/Pa constable. He told me that the store owner's/manager did not allow firearms. (this was not a corporate store) He said I could put it in my car and continue shopping. I declined and said it could be stolen. He said I could conceal it and continue. I then said you said I could not be there period with a firearm concealed or open. He got confused and said that I can stay if I cover it. I shopped and left. I contacted the home office and the store manager and was informed there was no such policy. The store manager informed me he would inform the security/constable that they had no such policy and I was welcome to shop there.
was he a constable ?
A constable acting in such a manner is concerning, though at least he didn't do anything extremely stupid. I'm very familiar with the constable program in Pennsylvania. Don't take this one encounter as a base for all constables. Most constables in the state of Pennsylvania are every day people who work a full time job. Many constables serve bench warrants for district magistrates for people who evade court(speeding violations, summary offenses, etc). Many constables don't arrest a person straight up, they're swell people by going to the person, explaining the situation and getting them to pay or call in to schedule a court date.
A little info on Constables, they're peace officers who were there before cities had LEOs. They were there to serve the public and the courts. If anything, those are the people who are truly supposed to be there "to serve and protect."
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Store security: "Sir, the Store's manager did not allow..."
You: "Sir, go get the manager. I'll be in aisle 7 getting some salsa..."
You: "Sir, I do not consent to an encounter with you. Store security, as you know can not detain people, I'll be waiting in aisle 7 for the manager"
You: "If you keep harassing me, I'm calling 911..."
SS: Wanders off.
You see there is no need for you to consent for him to speak to you, since you were not doing anything illegal, he can't detain you (maybe mention kidnapping...lol)
Then you finish shopping and call the company, and tell them they'd better educate their security, because next time he tries to stop you, puts his hand on you, you'll be filing suit. Now, this guy does not sound malicious, so you don't want him fired, just want him to do his job.
You didn't say if in his capacity as SS, he was armed, or if he had the usual Walkie-Talkie, flashlight, maybe pepper spray? If he was armed, you could probably turn the tables on him 'The manager told me he was planning on not allowing SS to carry a firearm, starting tomorrow, did you know that?'
The Giant Eagle in Northern Cambria (formerly Barnesboro), Cambria County, is also a franchise operation and the owner has "No Weapons" signs posted at both entrances. Nope, Cliff (the owner) isn't about to change his mind; apparently he's had one too many customers drop their handguns on the floor (how?) while shopping. So, so as to not upset anyone inside, I don't open carry while shopping there.
The franchise-operated BiLo just down the road, however, has no problem at all with me OCing.
Oh, uniformed store security? That must be a Big City thing. We don't have any of that out here in the hinterlands.
Have you gone back since 8/17 to this store? If so, have you seen the "constable," and has he apologized? I am not an expert in any way, but always felt that follow up is important.