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    Multi-titled public land

    Osceola National Forest. Also claimed by the FL FWC as Osceola WMA.

    Open Carry while Camping and Fishing there?

    Same could go for Ocala NF and Apalachicola NF.

    RFB? 1911? AK Pistol? (no, it won't be painted orange anywhere...)

    Preferred camping mode is dispersed camping and it's rare I even see another person, so, no, jerks, I'm not trying to make a scene. It's unlikely anyone will even notice I am there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Osceola National Forest. Also claimed by the FL FWC as Osceola WMA.

    Open Carry while Camping and Fishing there?

    Same could go for Ocala NF and Apalachicola NF.

    RFB? 1911? AK Pistol? (no, it won't be painted orange anywhere...)

    Preferred camping mode is dispersed camping and it's rare I even see another person, so, no, jerks, I'm not trying to make a scene. It's unlikely anyone will even notice I am there...

    Also claimed by the FL FWC as Osceola WMA.
    Is the FWC WMA area identical to the ONF boundries or just a carved out section within the ONF land?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2OLD2W8 View Post
    Is the FWC WMA area identical to the ONF boundries or just a carved out section within the ONF land?
    Wish I knew. No responsible party will answer the question. No information available. It's a carefully guarded secret.
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    Why would it make any difference if it's a NF, or a state park or a WMA?

    It's perfectly legal to carry openly or concealed without a CWFL , any firearm, while camping/fishing in Florida. No state agency may regulate firearms in any manner, except FWC make regulate the use of firearms with respect to take or attempt to take game.

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    map of ocala wma

    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Wish I knew. No responsible party will answer the question. No information available. It's a carefully guarded secret.
    http://myfwc.com/hunting/wma-brochures/ne/ocala/

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    Yeah. But look it up on the Nation Forest website, and they say no guns, no how, no way, never, forget it.

    There is a range on the land, and the documents relating to it very clearly state that you better damn well not go anywhere else in the forest with a gun or the feds will ruin your life if they don't just plain kill you.

    Here is one example: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5066182.pdf

    Says they follow State Law, then says no guns unless unloaded and boxed in the very next paragraph... Self-contradicting booby trap. Ask any of the boys in green in those pickup trucks with the lights on top and yellow license plates. They'll tell you that if they don't arrest you for having a gun, it's because they killed you and there is no sense in arresting a corpse.

    Such a blatnat and longstanding issue seems like some pro-gun activist organization might have looked into it by now... But nope...

    http://myfwc.com/viewing/recreation/wmas/ <-- describes the Cooperative situation. Each Cooperative WMA has the other agencies listed at the top of it's page. None of them acknowledge or respect 790.25.
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    It really not that hard to find the actual law...See 36 CFR 261.8 and 36 CFR 261.10


    Also here is the correct, up to date statment in regards to firearms on National Forests:

    Shooting sports activities have been enjoyed for generations and are welcomed on National Forest System lands.

    Both state and federal laws apply on National Forest System lands, so you also need to check on the state laws and county ordinances which may apply to the area you will be visiting. You also need to be in compliance with any general federal laws and regulations about weapons (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), etc). The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) and many commercial publications provide this information.

    The only regulations specific to use of weapons imposed by the Forest Service is that you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water, or in any manner that endangers a person. You also cannot use any tracer or incendiary ammunition. Forest Service regulations require that you also comply with all State laws regarding the use of firearms while hunting.

    If you are planning on visiting a designated Wilderness Area, the Regional Forester or Forest Supervisor has the option to implement a special local order which additionally prohibits the mere possession of a firearm within that Wilderness Area. Although this prohibition is not common, you should contact the Forest Supervisor's office to find out whether such a restriction has been imposed.

    We encourage you to use designated shooting areas or ranges. However, if you choose to shoot in an undesignated area, please ensure that your shooting does not damage any facilities or natural resources, disrupt other uses, or endanger public safety, and ensure you remove any targets, wads, shells, brass and other refuse with you when you leave. Be sure your shooting target area is free of rocks, as wildfires have resulting from sparks from ricochets. Be responsible for your action and follow outdoor ethics, in other words always, Leave No Trace and Tread Lightly! on federal lands.

    It is also a good idea regardless, just to contact the local Forest Service District or Forest Offices in advance of your visit to ask the same question, as they are more aware of local ranges and other opportunities, local orders or restrictions, issues and special conditions that may affect you.

    Enjoy your visit to our National Forests.

    Jamie Schwartz, Shooting Sports Liaison, USDA Forest Service
    http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/prog.../welcome.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    It really not that hard to find the actual law...See 36 CFR 261.8 and 36 CFR 261.10
    http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/prog.../welcome.shtml
    Well I sure as sh!t couldn't find it, so it's not so easy... Appreciate the Fact Welfare. I'll be sure to put it to use.

    The problem still remains that even after education, not a single person charged with Law Enforcement in the Osceola National Forest is willing to acknowledge it or abide by it. Two even threatened to kill me if I showed up with a gun. Asking to see the law that supports their assertion deserves death. Yay Guv!
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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