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    I know this is a open carry forum but I dont know anywere else to ask this question but I seen a groupon out for a online conceal and carry course that is attached to the arizona (non-resident) ccw permit that supposedly has reciprocity in 38 states, including North Carolina. Has anyone ever heard of this? https://www.onlinecarrytraining.com/faqs

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxrcarry View Post
    I know this is a open carry forum but I dont know anywere else to ask this question but I seen a groupon out for a online conceal and carry course that is attached to the arizona (non-resident) ccw permit that supposedly has reciprocity in 38 states, including North Carolina. Has anyone ever heard of this? https://www.onlinecarrytraining.com/faqs
    You can get the same on-line course for as little as $26.00, though I am not a fan of on-line courses - Google various schools
    https://ccwazschool.com/date-and-reg...FSbl7Aod_h4AiQ

    The most states I have seen is 35, and some of those require you to be a resident of the issueing state.
    http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concea...s/Reciprocity/

    Protect yourself and legally carry in 35 states. (29 states for non-residents)
    http://arizonaconcealedcarry.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxrcarry View Post
    I know this is a open carry forum but I dont know anywere else to ask this question but I seen a groupon out for a online conceal and carry course that is attached to the arizona (non-resident) ccw permit that supposedly has reciprocity in 38 states, including North Carolina. Has anyone ever heard of this? https://www.onlinecarrytraining.com/faqs
    guess i am truly confused why on earth you would spend seventy dollars on an apparent BS internet certificate gin mill course, then contribute some more of your hard earned $$$ to the AZ DPS when you can open carry in the Tarheel state for nothing?

    oh BTW welcome.

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    Also, be aware that some states do not recognize non-resident permits from ANY state. Colorado is one of them.

    It used to be a thing to seek out a non-resident Florida permit for us Coloradans because it said "Concealed Weapons Permit", versus Concealed handgun Permit. But with the new laws from 2013, that became a non-option. So online may be an option for you to use, but getting an online permit from Arizona won't allow you to carry in Colorado (just an example) unless you're also a resident of Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    guess i am truly confused why on earth you would spend seventy dollars on an apparent BS internet certificate gin mill course, then contribute some more of your hard earned $$$ to the AZ DPS when you can open carry in the Tarheel state for nothing?

    oh BTW welcome.

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    Im looking to get a concealed carry because I do alot of traveling on my sport bike(with almost zero storage space). I noticed alot of states are not on one accord regarding open carry and open carry while travelling. I see that a cwp or chp seems to have more reciprocity in states that don't allow open carry. I am originally from Indiana and it was not as strenuous or expensive to receive a cwp as it is in NC, so I a guess Im trying to find away around spending that much money for me and my wife to be protected while traveling on our bikes. Since we have lived here we noticed very quickly that NC is about taxing the hell out of there residents.
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    Thanks everyone for the replies It sounds like I may need to count my coins and get a NC concealed permit even though I will open carry in NC. It just helps when I travel to be able to conceal legally on my bike if Im riding through a Non open carry state. Indiana was sooo much easier $100 for lifetime permit decent reciprocity no class(online/or classroom) just back ground check mental health, fingerprints & 60 days and you can carry open concealed whatever you wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    guess i am truly confused why on earth you would spend seventy dollars on an apparent BS internet certificate gin mill course, then contribute some more of your hard earned $$$ to the AZ DPS when you can open carry in the Tarheel state for nothing?

    oh BTW welcome.

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    Yes, you can open carry for nothing. Zero, zip, nada, zilch, bumpkass, and the big goose egg, for good measure.

    The problem is, still, you still, cannot go EVERYWHERE or as many places, as you'd like, LEGALLY, with an open carried handgun on your hip. Those with government permission slips, sad to say, still get abit more mileage out of hiding their guns at certain times.

    Off the top of my head here:

    Cary and Chapel Hill? You can't open carry handguns of certain lengths
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-greensboro-nc

    You can't really buy a handgun on demand. The process, IIRC, is that you need to stroll to your local sheriff's office and apply for and then pick up a pistol purchase permit. The NCCHP, circumvents this whole process. Which does rock, folks. (However, why is it that the sheriff, a county entity, is entrusted with a statewide function like the NCCHP program? Is it because they get to make money off it? Hmmm....)

    Entering a restaurant that sells alcohol on site? Sorry open carrier, take a hike. (which sucks, because in Virginia, on my last trip anyways, its the other way around, and that was cool as hell! You rock Commonwealth!)

    How about a movie? (if people still go to those, box office is down for a lot in a bunch of years according to some newspaper I read quick this morning) Sorry, constitutionalist open carrier. Hit the bricks. Mr. Concealed VIP? Come right on in.

    Wanna pick up some kids from the ol schoolhouse? Nope, open carrier. Welcome to suckville. Population? YOU! You need a CHP to stow that roscoe in your trunk or glove compartment (anyone else not keep gloves in that place?)

    What about a crispy, winter-y parade? Nope. Sorry Mr. Second Amendment. Keep your patriot self at home. Or watch it on the television. Concealed permittee? Please, step right up, and watch.

    What about paying your respects to the decease? Open carrier has to watch from afar, (that is if your place of worship or the funeral home makes a stink), Concealee gets to come right in.

    So, there is advantages to having the NCCHP. I've had it since I was 22. But is it right that permittees get to have more "rights" (privileges) than someone who wishes to merely fulfill their rights as a citizen of the Tarheel state and this great republic?

    NO.

    NO, AND ITS WRONG that the state carves out more for the hoopjumper. ITS WRONG ALL THE WAY AROUND, but the NC constitution and its lawmakers have always held, they get to regulate concealed handguns, but you'll never see them affirming more rights, via laws, for people who open carry, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Custodian View Post
    Yes, you can open carry for nothing. Zero, zip, nada, zilch, bumpkass, and the big goose egg, for good measure.

    The problem is, still, you still, cannot go EVERYWHERE or as many places, as you'd like, LEGALLY, with an open carried handgun on your hip. Those with government permission slips, sad to say, still get abit more mileage out of hiding their guns at certain times.

    Off the top of my head here:

    Cary and Chapel Hill? You can't open carry handguns of certain lengths
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-greensboro-nc

    You can't really buy a handgun on demand. The process, IIRC, is that you need to stroll to your local sheriff's office and apply for and then pick up a pistol purchase permit. The NCCHP, circumvents this whole process. Which does rock, folks. (However, why is it that the sheriff, a county entity, is entrusted with a statewide function like the NCCHP program? Is it because they get to make money off it? Hmmm....)

    Entering a restaurant that sells alcohol on site? Sorry open carrier, take a hike. (which sucks, because in Virginia, on my last trip anyways, its the other way around, and that was cool as hell! You rock Commonwealth!)

    How about a movie? (if people still go to those, box office is down for a lot in a bunch of years according to some newspaper I read quick this morning) Sorry, constitutionalist open carrier. Hit the bricks. Mr. Concealed VIP? Come right on in.

    Wanna pick up some kids from the ol schoolhouse? Nope, open carrier. Welcome to suckville. Population? YOU! You need a CHP to stow that roscoe in your trunk or glove compartment (anyone else not keep gloves in that place?)

    What about a crispy, winter-y parade? Nope. Sorry Mr. Second Amendment. Keep your patriot self at home. Or watch it on the television. Concealed permittee? Please, step right up, and watch.

    What about paying your respects to the decease? Open carrier has to watch from afar, (that is if your place of worship or the funeral home makes a stink), Concealee gets to come right in.

    So, there is advantages to having the NCCHP. I've had it since I was 22. But is it right that permittee get to have more "rights" (privileges) than someone who wishes to merely fulfill their rights as a citizen of the Tarheel state and this great republic?

    NO.

    NO, AND ITS WRONG that the state carves out more for the hoopjumper. ITS WRONG ALL THE WAY AROUND, but the NC constitution and its lawmakers have always held, they get to regulate concealed handguns, but you'll never see them affirming more rights, via laws, for people who open carry, though.
    I am truly sorry Custodian, for final jeopardy you failed to answer the question(s) correctly or incompletely and you even drag the NC constitution into the fracas ~ where does the document discuss OC/CC criteria?

    you have spouted off a myriad of misinformation & half truths to a new member, do you care to provide cites from NC statute to substantiate your 'off your head' bravado as outlined in this forum's ground rules?

    oh, citing another OC forum thread dating back to 2007 about cary and chapel hill seems tremendously outlandish, even for you Custodian!!

    Your rant about the PPP and your apparent and sincere lack of knowledge on the background on the purpose of the sheriff's involvement is a surprising disappointment. to address your concern about my lack of CHP...5 bucks per PPP, (max 4 at a time) good for 5 years, seems quite the bargain wouldn't ya think, vice $75-100 for chp instruction plus $80+/- to the sheriff for a 5 year permit seems truly like a bargain on anybody's pocketbook by any stretch of the imagination.

    and those CC'g are allowed to OC in places those CC'g cant, LE & correction facility, offices of state or federal government, and local municipality's identified recreation facilities. (NC DOJ 2013 document III: Laws governing concealed handgun and use of deadly force)

    please do not forget if a conspicuous sign posted ~ no firearms, OC/CC! Period!

    finally, custodian, push your search capability to the limit and discern the thread/posts (i'll help ~ 2014) out here on OCs forum which discusses in detail NC OC'ers can, in fact, by NC statute OC where adult beverages are served.

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    and you even drag the NC constitution into the fracas ~ where does the document discuss OC/CC criteria?

    Yes, I will surely, if necessary, will drag the NC state constitution(s) into this.

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/legislat...stitution.html
    Current and 1971 constitution? Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms.
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

    However, that last lil bit about concealed weapons? Invented for 1971. Damn lawyers. Because the 1776 and 1868 constitutions do not have that text.
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/nc07.asp
    Section 17, 1776. (or XVII for those who read Roman)

    http://www.ncleg.net/library/Documen...ution_1868.pdf
    Section 24, 1868.

    The first two constitutions didn't have, in amendments, codified separation of concealed carry regulation. (hmm...)

    https://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=19952
    Yep, here's the Chapel Hill nonsense.

    http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.d...c$anc=JD_22-51
    The Cary stuff.

    Since were factchecking, a myriad, is a countless number or great deal of number. Exactly, according to you, since you brought it up, how much did I get wrong? I severely doubt its a great number, as your word choice, suggests.

    I will say that the first handgun I bought, I was 21, and at the time, a PPP only counted for ONE handgun. If that has changed, and I am out of practice and didn't do a recent check.

    http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299...-gun-Laws.aspx
    And the current firearms laws of the Tarheel state (rev. Feb 2014)

    Page 3
    NOTE: North Carolina law allows for the purchase of a single handgun with a single valid
    purchase permit. Multiple long guns may be purchased with a single pistol purchase permit;
    however, they must be purchased in a single transaction

    So, what were you talking about the PPP and multiple handgun purchases (max 4 at a time)? The NCDOJ (or whomever composed this pdf) doesn't seem to share this fact.

    please do not forget if a conspicuous sign posted ~ no firearms, OC/CC! Period!
    I think anyone can generally read a conspicuous sign posted on a door, so I didn't cover it. However, if its just a picture, it should be, hilariously so, IMO, left open to interpretation.

    https://hernandoheckler.files.wordpr...un_control.gif
    This is no Berettas

    http://www.ieet.org/images/uploads/weapons-ban.jpg
    This is no AR-15s/M-16s

    http://mt-st.rfclipart.com/image/big...-EPS-13642.jpg
    No revolvers. Semi-autos only, of course.

    http://thumb101.shutterstock.com/dis...-207134557.jpg
    Again. No six guns.

    Now about the NCCHP, as a former state employee, we HAD TO have it, to store our weapons on state property in our respective vehicles. No ifs, no ands, or buts. Oh, and you did sign a waiver, that guards/cops/other bureaucrats with guns/dogs that sniff, can check your car, with a hit. If not, you'll be fired or cited and possibly arrested. So, bargain or not, it was the rules.

    I DO NOT CARE about the background and purpose of the sheriff's involvement. Not. One. Bit. From where I sit, its just one of many revenue streams for the county, nothing more. A way to make money off the 1971 concealed carry addition to the state constitution. An increase of knowledge is not going to make it right (even if its legal), or make me care anymore, which is currently zero.

    “This legislation prohibits guns in classrooms, dorms, and administrative buildings on college campuses. Additionally, this legislation gives bar owners the authority to prohibit guns in their establishments. Following my threat of a veto, we worked closely with law enforcement officials across the state so that changes were made to the original legislation. This ensured that permitting is still required for a concealed carry permit and is implemented at the local level.” – Governor Pat McCrory

    And that statement from the "first citizen" of NC, makes me not care. It flies in the face of the hopeful goal of constitutional carry for all US citizens, which, IMO, is what the second amendment is about. The whole NCCHP process flies ("training", money to government, mental health background check, federal government involvement checks of varying degree <correct me about this whole process, I've never studied it to any degree, I just read what my reapplication paperwork said awhile back>) in the face of moving towards constitutional carry.

    Now, maybe I've been under a rock for a bit. But CC'g? I've never seen that abbreviation used.

    and those CC'g are allowed to OC in places those CC'g cant, LE & correction facility, offices of state or federal government, and local municipality's identified recreation facilities.

    This bit makes it seem that, to me now, that you can carry openly in law enforcement land. I can't speak for sheriff offices or police departments or even wherever the state troopers and ale agents commiserate, but prisons? Nope. No carry in prisons/correctional facilities. Not even by cops/deputies/troopers, under standard circumstances.

    And when I last checked, "restaurant carry" when it was written and passed, did NOT apply to open carriers. So, why don't you cite where you've seen it so?
    (G.S. 14-269.3(b)(5)) seems certainly to apply only to concealers.

    At my last recollection, H937, in 2013, the last firearms "omnibus" bill, really only dealt mainly with concealing permittees, not open carrying patriots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Custodian View Post
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    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/legislat...stitution.html
    Current and 1971 constitution? Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms.
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

    However, that last lil bit about concealed weapons? Invented for 1971. Damn lawyers. Because the 1776 and 1868 constitutions do not have that text.
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/nc07.asp
    Section 17, 1776. (or XVII for those who read Roman)

    http://www.ncleg.net/library/Documen...ution_1868.pdf
    Section 24, 1868.

    The first two constitutions didn't have, in amendments, codified separation of concealed carry regulation. (hmm...)

    ...
    If we are going to get testicle about all of this, then it should be noted that the NC constitution was amended in 1875 to include the part about concealed carry. At that time, it was Section 24, Article 1.

    http://www.ncleg.net/library/Documents/Amdts_1875.pdf

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    i'm sorry custodian, what on earth are you rambling about and what does it have to do with the price of tea in china or the subject at hand?

    your rambling constitutional discourse(s) make absolutely no sense nor do the other posts you have written.



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