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    Gottlieb challenges Gates to debate gun control!



    Breaking: Gottlieb challenges Gates to debate gun control measure


    Two days after the Seattle Times announced that Bill and Melinda Gates have donated $1 million to the Initiative 594 campaign, Bellevue gun rights advocate Alan Gottlieb, who opposes the measure, has publicly challenged the billionaire Microsoft founder to a public debate.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/brea...ontrol-measure

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    Dumb attempt at sensationalistic self promotion. IMHO

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    I think it could be a good debate....

    and I for one wouldn't mind seeing it happen at some gun friendly event center, were gun owners with there guns could show up and participate.

    But could the other side use this against us?

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/ari...html?hpt=us_c1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Dumb attempt at sensationalistic self promotion. IMHO

    And your better idea is....??????

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    Gates, Ballmer, Allen and Hanauer are all cowards hiding behind their money (and armed body guards) and won't pick up the gauntlet, anyway. Though, I'd sure love it if they did!
    Rev. Robert Apgood, Esq.

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    I just couldn't pass it up

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    And your better idea is....??????
    Dave i think he was talking about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    And your better idea is....??????
    "I CHALLENGE DIANE FINESWSINE TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON THURSDAY."

    "I CHALLENGE JOE BIDEN TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON FRIDAY."

    "I CHALLENGE JIM MCDERMOTT TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON MONDAY."

    "ETC."

    Dumb ploy for headlines. A multi billionaire is not going to clear is plate to debate some no-name reporter or activist.

    Argue with logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    And your better idea is....??????
    IDK man, but if I got paid to come up with ideas (like Alan Gottlieb does), then I'd sure try to come up with something that doesn't suck like his 2nd grade style playground challenge.

    And no, I didn't click your spam link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    "I CHALLENGE DIANE FINESWSINE TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON THURSDAY."

    "I CHALLENGE JOE BIDEN TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON FRIDAY."

    "I CHALLENGE JIM MCDERMOTT TO A DEBATE AT NOON ON MONDAY."

    "ETC."

    Dumb ploy for headlines. A multi billionaire is not going to clear is plate to debate some no-name reporter or activist.

    Argue with logic.

    Okay, share with the group here YOUR strategy to defeat I-594.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    IDK man, but if I got paid to come up with ideas (like Alan Gottlieb does), then I'd sure try to come up with something that doesn't suck like his 2nd grade style playground challenge.

    And no, I didn't click your spam link

    IDK man... you mean, "I don't know?"

    Might have guessed.

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    meanwhile, for the rest of you:

    Gun rights backers to begin airing ads as anti-gunners play Chicken Little

    Washington State backers of Initiative 591, which prohibits gun confiscation without due process and requires background checks to comply with a uniform national standard, will begin airing advertisements for their measure on Monday, the Associated Press is reporting today.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-...chicken-little

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    Gates, Ballmer, Allen and Hanauer are all cowards hiding behind their money (and armed body guards) and won't pick up the gauntlet, anyway. Though, I'd sure love it if they did!
    Well counselor, if Gates does accept, we'll be sure to let you know so you can get a good seat in the audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Well counselor, if Gates does accept, we'll be sure to let you know so you can get a good seat in the audience.
    If that does debate, I'd love to OC there and hope many others would too!

    Keep us informed ( as if you wouldn't).
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    If that does debate, I'd love to OC there and hope many others would too!

    Keep us informed ( as if you wouldn't).

    Robert:
    I knew we could count on you for a promised low-key entrance!



    If this does come to fruition we'll definitely give everyone plenty of advance notice.

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    The only complaint I'd make is that the sensationalist font size and color are not only annoying, but detract from the strength of the message. I just recently told my dad, who insists upon forwarding chain emails, "Pro tip: if the email contains enlarged or colored font, it's bullsh't." Do yourself a favor, Dave, and just post. Trying to grab attention is self-defeating.

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    So how come.....

    You guys aren't doing any counter commercials?

    What about showing yes 10s of thousands of guns are bought over the internet but they all go thru background checks when they are picked up at the gun stores.

    Two, show what happens at a parking lot sale. Gun seller shows up asks for conceal carry permit and ID, copies id and permit with phone pic, asks the buyer why he wants the gun, giving good reason, and then point out that no one has been killed or hurt by this, and if the other side comes up with an example, say its one in million. Also point out cops don't have a problem with this because they know the bad guys aren't getting there guns this way.

    The other side is lying, lets tell the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    You guys aren't doing any counter commercials?

    What about showing yes 10s of thousands of guns are bought over the internet but they all go thru background checks when they are picked up at the gun stores.

    Two, show what happens at a parking lot sale. Gun seller shows up asks for conceal carry permit and ID, copies id and permit with phone pic, asks the buyer why he wants the gun, giving good reason, and then point out that no one has been killed or hurt by this, and if the other side comes up with an example, say its one in million. Also point out cops don't have a problem with this because they know the bad guys aren't getting there guns this way.

    The other side is lying, lets tell the truth.

    Apparently you don't read much:

    Gun rights backers to begin airing ads as anti-gunners play Chicken Little

    Washington State backers of Initiative 591, which prohibits gun confiscation without due process and requires background checks to comply with a uniform national standard, will begin airing advertisements for their measure on Monday, the Associated Press is reporting today.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-rights-backers-to-begin-airing-ads-as-anti-gunners-play-chicken-little
    Last edited by Dave Workman; 08-29-2014 at 01:46 PM.

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    CCRKBA’s Gottlieb ups the ante in his challenge to debate Gates

    After days of waiting with no reply from billionaire Bill Gates in his challenge to debate the merits, or lack thereof, of Initiative 594, gun rights advocate Alan Gottlieb today upped the ante, offering to face both Gates and anti-gun former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, another billionaire backing the initiative.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/brea...o-debate-gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    CCRKBA’s Gottlieb ups the ante in his challenge to debate Gates

    After days of waiting with no reply from billionaire Bill Gates in his challenge to debate the merits, or lack thereof, of Initiative 594, gun rights advocate Alan Gottlieb today upped the ante, offering to face both Gates and anti-gun former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, another billionaire backing the initiative.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/brea...o-debate-gates
    Billy and Bloomy ain't coming dave, best you'll get is little ralphie and he's a nobody.

    I would like to see some no on 594 commercials though. I've been donating to WECARE for that reason..... I think this debate challenge is symbolism and not substance

    Speaking of which you have several sheriffs listed as opposed to 594 on the WECARE site, maybe snag one up ( preferably thurston county) and run a thirty second no commercial
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Billy and Bloomy ain't coming dave, best you'll get is little ralphie and he's a nobody.

    I would like to see some no on 594 commercials though. I've been donating to WECARE for that reason..... I think this debate challenge is symbolism and not substance

    Speaking of which you have several sheriffs listed as opposed to 594 on the WECARE site, maybe snag one up ( preferably thurston county) and run a thirty second no commercial

    Come up with the advertising money and the production costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Come up with the advertising money and the production costs.
    I certainly have donated...... And I'm sure plenty of others have as well. What frustrates me is the seeming lack of game plan and I'm hoping that's not because I'm not privy and there is one in place. Ok I'm donating money I'm rostling up votes from people who are not otherwise active voters, what else can I do? What kind of connections do you wNt found? Do we need to rent a grange hall and gave a dinner with gottlieb fundraiser?

    And does anyone have photos of blackmail quality on Wayne we can use to get the nra to fund something, if yes email them to eriknervik@gmail your anonymity will be protected
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    How about an add where a drug dealer is standing outside of a gun store and he sends his girlfriend in to buy a gun.

    drug dealer points out that California has had background checks forever.

    girlfriend comes back out with gun and gives it to drug dealer.

    drug dealer looks into the camera and says background checks didn't stop me from getting a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    How about an add where a drug dealer is standing outside of a gun store and he sends his girlfriend in to buy a gun.

    drug dealer points out that California has had background checks forever.

    girlfriend comes back out with gun and gives it to drug dealer.

    drug dealer looks into the camera and says background checks didn't stop me from getting a gun.
    Do you realize they just want to 'ban guns.'

    Guns are bad. Guns end up in the hands of bad guys regardless of 'reasonable controls.' Therefore all guns must be totally banned.

    Your idea only feeds their ideological fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Come up with the advertising money and the production costs.
    How about YOU earn the money to pay for ads.

    Or at least stop making spammy articles.
    Last edited by Dave_pro2a; 09-03-2014 at 11:43 PM.

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    As a group we have this incessant and proper endeavor to hold government accountable but lack the will to hold the wealthy accountable that could influence elections and governmental actions? Why are the two mutually exclusive?

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