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    How is virginia not a top 10 gun friendly state?

    I've never had any problems carrying or purchasing guns (any kind really). Yet, all rankings out there have Va out of the top 10. I can understand being #6 or whatever but to not make the list seems weird to me.

    What restrictions does Va hold us to that we never make the list?

    From buying, to open carry, to conceal carry to suppressors and automatic weapons. I'm at a loss...I've never really seen any restrictions on our rights in this state.

    Source: guns and ammo rankings 2013, 2014, various news outlets like wash post.


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    Cuz you touch DC and MD.
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    For one thing they have all CHP holders entered into the VCIN.

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    one thing might be....

    Virginia has outright bans on a few specific firearms (AA12 Streetsweeper, etc.) That, while near meaningless to us, dings the state on paper when they compare laws. Another useless feel good bit of legislation that should go the way of the "one handgun a month" and swirl down the toilet on its way out.
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    Premption appears good at first glance, but preemption does not apply to state agencies and authorities.
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    Sadly, one cannot overstate the damage that having an all-Gun Grabbing administration and two gun-grabbing Senators has done. I am certain from published reports that this current situation has taken Virginia off the list for consideration to relocate at least one major firearms manufacturer from the Northeastern United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Sadly, one cannot overstate the damage that having an all-Gun Grabbing administration and two gun-grabbing Senators has done. I am certain from published reports that this current situation has taken Virginia off the list for consideration to relocate at least one major firearms manufacturer from the Northeastern United States.

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    Yep, that will do it.
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    How is virginia not a top 10 gun friendly state?

    I finally saw the full list of all 50 states (not just the top 10).

    We are #21. Their criteria seems solid. I've just never run into any problems buying or carrying so it's sorta shocking to me that 20 states (40%) have it "better than us."

    http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-t...n-owners-2014/


    If I were in a sportsbook and had to place bets on it, I would've said 80% chance we were in the top 10 and 100% chance we were in the top 15ish. I would have bet almost everything I own that we were not out of the top 20.

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    That list is BS...Ga, NC, Fl and a couple more are ahead of us.....Right. I'd say Va is actually around #10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    That list is BS...Ga, NC, Fl and a couple more are ahead of us.....Right. I'd say Va is actually around #10.
    Just an evaluation by one magazine.

    They only have 5 categories therefore there must some weight factor and criteria not seen by us as viewers of the information to further refine the breakdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wittmeba View Post
    Just an evaluation by one magazine.

    They only have 5 categories therefore there must some weight factor and criteria not seen by us as viewers of the information to further refine the breakdown.
    That last word is very telling regarding their evaluation, me thinks.
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    Yep, breakdown, with no-OC South Carolina higher rated than Wisconsin that is a traditional OC state with a CWL quite comparable to South Carolina's. Someone is merely trolling their prejudices.

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    Putting a bee in someone's bonnet

    "The freest states in the union", according to, an exhaustive list of criteria.

    It'd probably be a headache of a project, but it'd be cool to see on this website.
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    The criteria is subjective. Don't worry about it. My list is different because things that matter more to me are weighted more.

    But look at it this way, it's a good sign overall if a state that is GOOD isn't as high on the list as you thought. It means there are more good states than you expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    The criteria is subjective. Don't worry about it. My list is different because things that matter more to me are weighted more.

    But look at it this way, it's a good sign overall if a state that is GOOD isn't as high on the list as you thought. It means there are more good states than you expected.
    I only care about Virginia Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    That list is BS...Ga, NC, Fl and a couple more are ahead of us.....Right. I'd say Va is actually around #10.
    +100

    I hate traveling to Floriduh because the gun laws blow so hard. GA is also pretty lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Custodian View Post
    "The freest states in the union", according to, an exhaustive list of criteria.

    It'd probably be a headache of a project, but it'd be cool to see on this website.
    IMHO, big picture, Colorado had it easily until the Newtown fallout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    The criteria is subjective. Don't worry about it. My list is different because things that matter more to me are weighted more
    Exactly! As they say if you don't like their results, create your own.

    But look at it this way, it's a good sign overall if a state that is GOOD isn't as high on the list as you thought. It means there are more good states than you expected.
    True by someone else's priorities. Your state may slip further down by your own assessment and criteria.



    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I only care about Virginia Mac.
    You should care about all of them. The phrase "Scope Creep" comes to mind for me...what happens in one may leak into another.

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    Virginia's Rank

    As almost everyone has mentioned, different people or groups may rank the States in different order. Recently, I did my own "unprofessional" ranking, and had Virginia around 17 or 18, not 21. Virginia may have been a leader at one time, but let's face it, it has slipped. In my opinion, it is partially due to those OCer's in Virginia exhibiting a somewhat superior view on this forum that "they know best." By telling us what is important and what is not, they overlook the suggestions made by all of us to achieve "Constitutional Carry" based on the wording in the 2nd Amendment. Don't get me wrong; we should all be indebted to those in Virginia who have done so much for the cause. But as in politics, the office seems to change the person more than the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    As almost everyone has mentioned, different people or groups may rank the States in different order. Recently, I did my own "unprofessional" ranking, and had Virginia around 17 or 18, not 21. Virginia may have been a leader at one time, but let's face it, it has slipped. In my opinion, it is partially due to those OCer's in Virginia exhibiting a somewhat superior view on this forum that "they know best." By telling us what is important and what is not, they overlook the suggestions made by all of us to achieve "Constitutional Carry" based on the wording in the 2nd Amendment. Don't get me wrong; we should all be indebted to those in Virginia who have done so much for the cause. But as in politics, the office seems to change the person more than the other way around.
    Don't see that the participants in a cause or on a forum change the laws/statutes that govern us.

    Constitutional Carry may be the holy grail, but it is not the purpose of this forum. OCDO is is about normalizing every day OC as we good about our regular, daily routines. Little importance is placed on CC, except as a personal option.

    Insofar as Virginian's having a "superior view" and "knowing what is best", I'd say that you are probably right in instances concerning Va laws and their effect on us. Who else would you listen to on this.....someone from *over there?*

    BTW - the owners of this site are both attorney's living in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Add to that the VCDL is arguably the leader/model for most all other state level grassroots RKBA organizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    As almost everyone has mentioned, different people or groups may rank the States in different order. Recently, I did my own "unprofessional" ranking, and had Virginia around 17 or 18, not 21. Virginia may have been a leader at one time, but let's face it, it has slipped. In my opinion, it is partially due to those OCer's in Virginia exhibiting a somewhat superior view on this forum that "they know best." By telling us what is important and what is not, they overlook the suggestions made by all of us to achieve "Constitutional Carry" based on the wording in the 2nd Amendment. Don't get me wrong; we should all be indebted to those in Virginia who have done so much for the cause. But as in politics, the office seems to change the person more than the other way around.
    Actually...There are very few forum members that have any political influence at all. We have opinions, very strong ones at times. CHP's for instance. I could care less how many forum members have CHP's as long as they give OC equal standing. OC is as close as we have to Constitutional carry and will be for some time to come.

    Moving politics takes a lot of time and clout and that doesn't come cheap. We don't have a single politician that I would call really pro gun or pro 2A....fortunately, the majority are just less anti than others.

    I agree with Grapeshot that VCDL is the lobby here, however until they recognize all gun owners as equals, that power will never be fully realized. Too much infighting among the various groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    ...Constitutional Carry may be the holy grail...
    For that matter, states like AZ with "Constitutional Carry" actually have more restrictions on those who open carry than states like NV, which does not have "Constitutional Carry," but has more open carry freedoms than any other state I can think of.
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    NV, which does not have "Constitutional Carry," but has more open carry freedoms than any other state I can think of.
    Having dual residency in Nv/Va I believe VA has NV beat.

    Iirc, State law in NV prohibits carry in a child care facility (public or private)
    VA doesn't.

    Also, iirc carrying while at a Las Vegas city park hasn't been sorted out.
    Again VA doesn't.




    While VA does have a few stupid laws regarding OC for none permission slip holders, (can't carry with a mag with over 20rds inserted, no threaded barrles in some localities, no carry during bow/muzzle loading season while hunting, no carry inside GAB) I can't think of any that top those two from NV, as they both totally disarm you when you are likely very vulnerable (likely with your family/small children).
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