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    Castle Rock OC Election - Both Questions Passed!!!

    It is looking like OC on town properties is in the near future. The page can be found here

    We need to have another M&G here in the near future.

    JSK


    Excerpt from CR town site...

    "Posted on: August 28, 2014Both measures pass in Aug. 19 Special Election

    Results in the Town’s Aug. 19 Special Election were announced this afternoon, with voters approving both measures.
    The unofficial vote totals are:
    Measure A
    YES – 4,737 (50.8 percent)
    NO – 4,586 (49.2 percent)
    Measure B
    YES – 6,610 (71.2 percent)
    NO – 2,679 (28.8 percent)
    The results must still be canvassed by the municipal judge before they are final.
    When the Town Manager is advised the election results are final, all Town Manager imposed restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property will be rescinded. Any future restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property must be decided by Castle Rock voters.
    The Town mailed nearly 32,000 ballots. More than 9,400 ballots were returned to the Town – the most ballots received in a Town of Castle Rock election. "

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    VICTORY!! Now I can visit my parents without worrying about that stupid crap.

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    "We need to have another M&G here in the near future." -- jskp229

    We could do that...let me know -- you've been MIA here so I thought you were all tied up with work and such and so "unavailable for comment" as they say in TV news. ;-)


    "Now I can visit my parents without worrying about that stupid crap." -- jackrockblc

    Yeah...but can your parents visit YOU without worrying about that stupid crap in Denver! ;-)


    ...true, but just kidding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    Yeah...but can your parents visit YOU without worrying about that stupid crap in Denver! ;-)
    Yes, actually. I don't live in Denver limits. Sadly it's their cat and dog allergies that stop them from visiting me. [emoji13]

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    I'm confused. How did they think they were going to get away with banning OC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    I'm confused. How did they think they were going to get away with banning OC?
    Sadly, the case with Denver showed that if the town/city allows CHP-restricted CC, then OC suddenly is on the table for discussion. It's crap, but that's the way it is. The citizens just told the town manager to [expletive deleted].

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    Quote Originally Posted by jskp229 View Post
    It is looking like OC on town properties is in the near future. The page can be found here

    We need to have another M&G here in the near future.

    JSK


    Excerpt from CR town site...

    "Posted on: August 28, 2014Both measures pass in Aug. 19 Special Election

    Results in the Town’s Aug. 19 Special Election were announced this afternoon, with voters approving both measures.
    The unofficial vote totals are:
    Measure A
    YES – 4,737 (50.8 percent)
    NO – 4,586 (49.2 percent)
    Measure B
    YES – 6,610 (71.2 percent)
    NO – 2,679 (28.8 percent)
    The results must still be canvassed by the municipal judge before they are final.
    When the Town Manager is advised the election results are final, all Town Manager imposed restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property will be rescinded. Any future restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property must be decided by Castle Rock voters.
    The Town mailed nearly 32,000 ballots. More than 9,400 ballots were returned to the Town – the most ballots received in a Town of Castle Rock election. "
    Don't get too excited ---- 49.2 % think that the restrictions are just fine.

    Celebrate for now, prepare for later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Don't get too excited ---- 49.2 % think that the restrictions are just fine.

    Celebrate for now, prepare for later.
    Exactly - with the influx of Californian, New Yorkers, and others Colorado will only get a deeper shade of blue

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    Sadly, the case with Denver showed that if the town/city allows CHP-restricted CC, then OC suddenly is on the table for discussion. It's crap, but that's the way it is. The citizens just told the town manager to [expletive deleted].

    I disagree. Denver restrictions are only valid because they challenged the state in court. How any other city thinks that the decision automatically applies to them is beyond me.
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    Good news, but the voter turnout saddens me. I was actually worried about this vote, but glad to see the outcome the way it is. I see there is another suit filed, wonder where that will go.


    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    VICTORY!! Now I can visit my parents without worrying about that stupid crap.
    You could before, just not in certain city owned areas. Now you can go to those city owned areas without fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    Good news, but the voter turnout saddens me. I was actually worried about this vote, but glad to see the outcome the way it is. I see there is another suit filed, wonder where that will go.




    You could before, just not in certain city owned areas. Now you can go to those city owned areas without fear.
    Thanks for the clarification. I was actually under the wrong impression. However, I believe it still would have affected me, given their home location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    Thanks for the clarification. I was actually under the wrong impression. However, I believe it still would have affected me, given their home location.
    You can see where I live, never had an issue in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    You can see where I live, never had an issue in public.
    Actually, all the previous posts were on the Tapatalk app, which doesn't show those profile details for others. But I'm on my PC now, and can see your home location. However, I do appreciate the corrections!

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    i dont see details of what was Measure A or B about- vote on A was certainly close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    i dont see details of what was Measure A or B about- vote on A was certainly close.


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    all Town Manager imposed restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property will be rescinded.


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    Any future restrictions on the open carry of firearms on Town-owned property must be decided by Castle Rock voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    Sadly, the case with Denver showed that if the town/city allows CHP-restricted CC, then OC suddenly is on the table for discussion. It's crap, but that's the way it is. The citizens just told the town manager to [expletive deleted].
    I thought:

    A) That only applied to "home-rule"

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    B) Only Denver got away with it, not because the issue was actually decided, but because it was NOT decided; rather, it was a hung jury (tied vote as to whether or not to overturn it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    I disagree. Denver restrictions are only valid because they challenged the state in court. How any other city thinks that the decision automatically applies to them is beyond me.
    Exactly, Beau. If a city wasn't party to Denver's suit, they can't. The State Constitution still applies. Had the knuckleheads in charge of deciding Denver's case followed the law, the decision would have been unanimous. Part of the problem with politics here in Colorado is that too many legislators and judges feel like they're above the law. They don't understand that you cannot override the Constitution with either legislation or a judicial decision. It takes an amendment.

    If I had loads of money, I'd have challenged last years anti-gun crap as un-Constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    City officials say the special election garnered the most ballots in history for a town election.


    Interesting..I recall folks complaining of LOW turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    The person with the green watch needs a better instructor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrockblc View Post
    Actually, all the previous posts were on the Tapatalk app, which doesn't show those profile details for others. But I'm on my PC now, and can see your home location. However, I do appreciate the corrections!
    Sorry, I'm not tapatalk savvy, didn't mean to imply you couldn't read. We're all good!

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    City officials say the special election garnered the most ballots in history for a town election.


    Interesting..I recall folks complaining of LOW turnout.
    I think I mentioned it, did anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Interesting..I recall folks complaining of LOW turnout.
    My guess is that it's high by comparison. Elections are always low turnouts, especially ones not held during presidential election years. I have no evidence to back up my guess - it's merely observatory.

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    Sorry, I'm not tapatalk savvy, didn't mean to imply you couldn't read. We're all good!
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    Got this notice in the inbox:

    Election Commission will hold a special meeting Sept. 11

    Election Commission will hold a special meeting Sept. 11

    The Castle Rock Election Commission, created under the Town’s Home Rule Charter, will hold a meeting at noon Thursday, Sept. 11, in Town Hall to consider election recount procedures.

    The Town Clerk has received two requests for recounts of the Aug. 19 Special Election. One request is from a registered agent of an issue committee, and another is from a registered elector.

    Under the Town Code and Charter, the Election Commission is charged with establishing procedures for elections and will discuss logistics for the two requests for recounts. Specifically, the commission will evaluate procedures for election judges, use of the Accuvote machine, system testing, an audit trail, duties specific to how judges will perform the recount and how judges will rectify any discrepancies.

    Results for the Aug. 19 Special Election are online at CRgov.com/specialelection.

    As with all commission meetings this Election Commission meeting is open to the public, and there will be an opportunity for public comment. It will begin at noon Thursday in Town Council Chambers at Town Hall, 100 N. Wilcox St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    Got this notice in the inbox:

    Election Commission will hold a special meeting Sept. 11

    Election Commission will hold a special meeting Sept. 11

    The Castle Rock Election Commission, created under the Town’s Home Rule Charter, will hold a meeting at noon Thursday, Sept. 11, in Town Hall to consider election recount procedures.

    The Town Clerk has received two requests for recounts of the Aug. 19 Special Election. One request is from a registered agent of an issue committee, and another is from a registered elector.

    Under the Town Code and Charter, the Election Commission is charged with establishing procedures for elections and will discuss logistics for the two requests for recounts. Specifically, the commission will evaluate procedures for election judges, use of the Accuvote machine, system testing, an audit trail, duties specific to how judges will perform the recount and how judges will rectify any discrepancies.

    Results for the Aug. 19 Special Election are online at CRgov.com/specialelection.

    As with all commission meetings this Election Commission meeting is open to the public, and there will be an opportunity for public comment. It will begin at noon Thursday in Town Council Chambers at Town Hall, 100 N. Wilcox St.
    Can a commission tell a judge what to do? When I was an election judge I did what ever I wanted. I was in a heavily democratic area usually so I booted out absentee ballots if I could find any reason for doing so (except those from APO addresses).

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Can a commission tell a judge what to do? When I was an election judge I did what ever I wanted. I was in a heavily democratic area usually so I booted out absentee ballots if I could find any reason for doing so (except those from APO addresses).
    Judges don't like being told their decision was wrong, I'm guessing this won't go far.

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