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    Teaching kids safe handling of guns

    Is it a good idea?
    Should pro gun groups protest it?

    I have a reason for asking.

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    Do we teach kids pool safety whether we want them to ever go to a pool or not?

    Same thing.
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    Lack of proper education = accidents and ignorance.
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    Yes we should.

    Yes we should teach them, but teach them correctly. If we take the time to teach them about gun safety maybe that will take away their curiosity. As someone stated we teach them about pool safety but also playing with fire, driving a motor vehicle and drug abuse. Each in its own if misused can result in a tragedy not only to the individual, but to those who are close to them. We all had to crawl before we learned how to walk.
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    Growing up is all about learning responsibility. Shooting sports encourage responsibility, teach the respect of dangerous objects, and help develop hand-eye coordination.

    Heck, I was granted an extraordinary amount of liberty and responsibility at a very young age by most people's standards, and I am a better man for it today.

    Anxious parents raise good subjects.
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    alas, shooting sports are 'taught' to today's youth, normally across the country in Boy & Girl scouts, 4-H as well as in 'school' team shooting teams.

    the main problem is the parents who do not believe their youngster needs this kinda of education abstain on pursuing the training and leave it up to the school system to provide the drug, sex, education so they don't have interface with their children on those subjects.

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    Part two of the question is....Is this a good program for the kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Part two of the question is....Is this a good program for the kids?

    Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Part two of the question is....Is this a good program for the kids?

    Good program for "kids" of all ages.........subject to physical limitations.
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    There are a few important considerations

    1. The kid has to want the training, have the aptitude, have some coordination. So prior to the firearm training have pre-training. Airsoft, BB guns, pellet guns. It should be a pyramid system. Build up to a level don't just go all out giving some small person a .44 magnum.

    2. Gotta have the right atmosphere - a good outdoor range, one-on-one training.

    3. It has to be fun, but it should not be frivolous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    There are a few important considerations

    1. The kid has to want the training, have the aptitude, have some coordination. So prior to the firearm training have pre-training. Airsoft, BB guns, pellet guns. It should be a pyramid system. Build up to a level don't just go all out giving some small person a .44 magnum.

    2. Gotta have the right atmosphere - a good outdoor range, one-on-one training.

    3. It has to be fun, but it should not be frivolous.
    The program as presented starts with BB guns.

    There are those that say firearms familiarity training should be mandatory at an early age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Is it a good idea?
    I think its a good idea.....but what the hell do I know about firearms training? LOL
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    There really is a reason I'm asking. I got a complaint last night from a well established hunting group, not about the Jakes program but something else. I'm just looking for input before I dig into it a little more.

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    I submit a recent editorial on the topic from an Indiana lawyer and firearms instructor:

    http://www.indystar.com/story/opinio...guns/14746411/

    I think the following excerpt nicely summarizes the topic:

    ...I always have believed that parents should "demystify" firearms and teach children basic gun safety, whether or not the parents own guns, are "pro-gun" or "anti-gun." This is a matter of safety — not politics...

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    First step with shooting learn'in with kids: teach them to assemble and disassemble .. so that they know who the gun works and can disassemble/assemble the gun for maintenance.

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    Important, yes, but first step is muzzle awareness, AT ALL TIMES. You can't even verify an unloaded status without muzzle awareness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Important, yes, but first step is muzzle awareness, AT ALL TIMES. You can't even verify an unloaded status without muzzle awareness.
    I agree 100% that muzzle awareness is numero uno. Know that it is pointed safely and then verify mag well/cylinder followed by checking chamber, but equally important is "keep the booger hooker off the bang switch at all times" I am currently teaching my grandchildren (one at a time, as they come of age) firearm safety just as my father taught me. Then we learn range safety when I feel they are ready to shoot. This is a Virginia tradition as well as one of my own.
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    OK, here's the reason I asked. Apparently a VCDL member that from the description, I don't know, talked above his pay grade at an event in Roanoke. He gave the impression that VCDL was against the program and went postal on one of the disabled hunters that sponsors the program. The organization complained to me and I contacted Philip about it.

    He assured me that was NOT VCDL's position and that only he spoke for the organization's policies.

    I think everyone is satisfied now.
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    I think of firearm education in a similar manner to sex education. Teaching abstinence as the only safety is futile as sex is human nature (I believe teaching morality covers the concept of abstinence by default), and ignorance to the fundamentals creates accidents. Safety and education is paramount. Children (and adults) should be taught proactively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    OK, here's the reason I asked. Apparently a VCDL member that from the description, I don't know, talked above his pay grade at an event in Roanoke. He gave the impression that VCDL was against the program and went postal on one of the disabled hunters that sponsors the program. The organization complained to me and I contacted Philip about it.

    He assured me that was NOT VCDL's position and that only he spoke for the organization's policies.

    I think everyone is satisfied now.

    Don't you love when someone thinks that the VCDL is their own little pet project, and they take liberties with the organization's good name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Don't you love when someone thinks that the VCDL is their own little pet project, and they take liberties with the organization's good name?
    Even the uninformed have opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Is it a good idea?
    Should pro gun groups protest it?

    I have a reason for asking.
    It depends on who is doing the teaching and what they are teaching.
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    Yes teach them the safety fundamentals of a firearm. Many of use enjoy the hoppy so our kids should too. One thing I have to disagree with is giving children and teens easy access to a firearm. Overheard a man in my local Gun Shop that he was looking for a Glock as a gift to his 16 year old son. Would not be much of a gift if he had no access to it right? My first thought was this is a bad idea.

    Kids and teen really don't know how to deal with different stress levels as adults do. Someone makes them made at school or their Girlfriend breakup with them. They will go for their gun. Some may argue guns should in access for everyone in the event of a break in, or I totally trust my kids around guns they know gun safety. Parents have to think beyond just them knowing about gun safety. Dealing with life problems is not taught in a gun safety course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy123 View Post
    Yes teach them the safety fundamentals of a firearm. Many of use enjoy the hoppy so our kids should too. One thing I have to disagree with is giving children and teens easy access to a firearm. Overheard a man in my local Gun Shop that he was looking for a Glock as a gift to his 16 year old son. Would not be much of a gift if he had no access to it right? My first thought was this is a bad idea.

    Kids and teen really don't know how to deal with different stress levels as adults do. Someone makes them made at school or their Girlfriend breakup with them. They will go for their gun. Some may argue guns should in access for everyone in the event of a break in, or I totally trust my kids around guns they know gun safety. Parents have to think beyond just them knowing about gun safety. Dealing with life problems is not taught in a gun safety course.
    They will "go for the gun!" lol ...

    I had Mr. T come over to teach gun safety. He just said "Be safe Fool!" ... no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy123 View Post
    Yes teach them the safety fundamentals of a firearm. Many of use enjoy the hoppy so our kids should too. One thing I have to disagree with is giving children and teens easy access to a firearm. Overheard a man in my local Gun Shop that he was looking for a Glock as a gift to his 16 year old son. Would not be much of a gift if he had no access to it right? My first thought was this is a bad idea.

    Kids and teen really don't know how to deal with different stress levels as adults do. Someone makes them made at school or their Girlfriend breakup with them. They will go for their gun. Some may argue guns should in access for everyone in the event of a break in, or I totally trust my kids around guns they know gun safety. Parents have to think beyond just them knowing about gun safety. Dealing with life problems is not taught in a gun safety course.
    I disagree with that. Giving an early teen a Glock is fine and I agree it needs to be locked up with the parent's for a while but at 17 the kid better be adjusting to keeping and using it safely because a year from then, you've lost the apron strings.

    Long guns are different. By 16 the kid should have been completely trained in safety, taught to hunt and hunting with friends on weekends and after school. Thankfully, we now have Sunday hunting which gives him another day to enjoy the sport.

    It's a little like keeping a dog in a pen all his life. If you never let him out he'll bolt the first opportunity he has.
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