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    Let's file this under "Stupid Ideas" -

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...oter-training/

    In the article, a repost from another site, the author and president of the company that manufaturers the device promotes the Guardian G8 Pro V2 as "a cost-effective tool that can enable school emergency response teams to delay an attack and defend students if necessary, while documenting the event and communicating with law enforcement, with just one device".

    One problem - it's a dumbass idea. After all the corporate doublespeak, the G8 Pro V2 is a camera / strobe light / pepper spray device that looks like a gun.

    The article recommends equipping school security staff with something that looks like a gun but offers no effective response to an armed attacker. At least it will provide great video of just how ineffective the device is.

    Since the vast majority of people committing sudden mass murders have chosen to take themselves out of the gene pool as soon as the police arrive, and most of the others have been forceably ejected from the shallow end of that pool, I can see little need to document that dead person "A" caused dead persons "B through whatever" and wounded persons "1 through whatever".

    Unless the wielder of the device is looking to document their eligibility for a posthumous award I see little use for this combination of "less than effective" tools. I wonder if the survivors of the first person shot by the cops when they see a gun-like item in the hands of someone who is not-a-cop in the middle of an "active shooter" scene will sue the manufacturer, and if the "I was stupid" defense will stand up.

    For those still wondering, go here http://guardian8.com/wp-content/uplo...Escalation.png to see it in all its glory.

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    You nailed it...

    Come to think about it, how about one of these. It's portable:

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    Such a device might go a long way to insuring that those stupid enough to bring less effective tools to a gun fight do not reproduce.

    Ignorance is not knowing about or understanding something.

    Stupidity is having the information that something can hurt you, but proceeding as if you were wearing your magic cloak of invincibility.
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    lol, that thing is hilarious. First, it shines a laser pointer on the guy! Then, it makes all kinds of noise and generally freaks out! Finally – assuming the bad guy hasn't already been terrorized into a wet noodle on the floor – a full trigger pull unleashes an unstoppable fart in his general direction!

    Bad guys, beware.
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    The diagram describes it as having an "enhanced presence".......

    WTF kind of vague, euphamistic, marketing ploy is an "enhanced presence"?

    Is it, somehow, "more real" than it normally would have been without the particular additional part or enhancement that a device without an "enhanced presence" would be?

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    Does it go Pew-Pew-Pew......?
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    Be the 1st on your block to own the all new, genuine Space Cadet Pistol.

    Fill in the order information and send 2 boxtops and $.75 immediately.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

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    They should put 2 armed midgets dressed like school children in each and every classroom .. armed with thermonuclear A-bomb briefcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Does it go Pew-Pew-Pew......?

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    Yeeeeeeeah!!!!!!!
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    You have to wonder what the promoters were thinking ?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Yeeeeeeeah!!!!!!!
    Is that lipstick on the dudes left cheek, or strawberry jelly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Is that lipstick on the dudes left cheek, or strawberry jelly?
    He's an overweight cop...........guess.
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    I think every unit should come with a set of dice. (check to see how luck you are before attempting to use/your gambling with your life joke)

    Enhanced presence, I think, means that the device enhances your presence to the attacker... Sort of a "look I have a g... pepper sprayer!"

    Diagram also has hard and deadly force represented in their little continuum, but their device doesn't offer either of these? I don't get it? Are they wanting to put these in the hands of people that do have deadly force as an option? And how would the use of this device be a more "reasonable" response to an armed assailant? And wait, let's take a step back. A LOT of equipment already exists to allow someone to go up each step of the force continuum "reasonably," what does this device offer new to the playing field that isn't already available? Nothing? Nothing.

    ALSO, "delay" an attack? DELAY an attack? "Here, take this plastic POS and go piss of the attacker so he'll have to reload and the attack will be DELAYED."

    What WERE they thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    ... what does this device offer new to the playing field that isn't already available? ....
    But it's NEW! And SHINEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

    stay safe.

    * - although it does lack a rape whistle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    lol, that thing is hilarious. First, it shines a laser pointer on the guy! Then, it makes all kinds of noise and generally freaks out! Finally – assuming the bad guy hasn't already been terrorized into a wet noodle on the floor – a full trigger pull unleashes an unstoppable fart in his general direction!

    Bad guys, beware.
    marshaul I support this idea. I've seen a good fart clear a room - they can be quite effective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    But it's NEW! And SHINEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

    stay safe.

    * - although it does lack a rape whistle.
    Regarding this "rape whistle" thing.... I am confused! Does it get blown to INVITE the rape or to stop it?

    I've already got a side arm--- I think I'll just plan on using it if justified and appropriate! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Regarding this "rape whistle" thing.... I am confused! Does it get blown to INVITE the rape or to stop it? ....
    Yes. Definately "Yes".

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Regarding this "rape whistle" thing.... I am confused! Does it get blown to INVITE the rape or to stop it?
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Yes. Definately "Yes".

    stay safe.
    Not always, but sometimes a "Yes."...........except when "No."
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    Looks like about half of a Hi Point

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    Hey, a Hi-Point beats THAT POS all to heck and back any day! Not only that, it is about the same price!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky
    Regarding this "rape whistle" thing.... I am confused! Does it get blown to INVITE the rape or to stop it?
    Well, if it is to INVITE they don't work. I've blown one many times and it got me nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittmeba View Post
    Well, if it is to INVITE they don't work. I've blown one many times and it got me nothing.
    Part of me really want's to ask "You have blown one WHAT?" but the family nature of this forum prevents me!
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    Pointing something that even slightly resembles a pistol, at somebody who is already armed with a real pistol, is a good way to commit "suicide by perp".
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