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    What are the laws in Michigan concerning shooting in the city limits?

    I want to build a range in my basement, if i do it right you wont be able to hear a thing outside, but, just in case there is a small sound and someone discovers im shooting, what are the laws?

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    Apply for a building permit and find out....I see no reason why you cannot. You have the right to practice with your guns. See Ezell v. Chicago.

    Cost of bldg permit = zero, if denied
    Cost to appeal before board = zero
    Cost to appeal to court = some $$, see courthouse or statues
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Apply for a permit and find out....I see no reason why you cannot. You have the right to practice with your guns. See Ezell v. Chicago.
    it wouldn't be a commercial range just my ownso there really wouldn't be a permit for it.

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    This is the info I got last year when I checked into doing the same. I live in the township so city ordinances don't apply. I can only speak of the requirements I was told I would have to meet.

    Building/Construction permit: yes, because of the hazardous waste you will be producing. i.e.: lead (bullets/fragments), powder smoke (carbons and other gases)
    Inspected and approved ventilation and filters because of above waste.
    All pipes: gas, water, sewer, in the area must be protected.
    Inspected and approved bullet trap.
    Disposal plan of waste.

    I didn't check any further into the regs because the costs of the above requirements were too much for me to afford.
    All of this may/not apply to your situation. Just an FYI as to what I was told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARCHILD View Post
    This is the info I got last year when I checked into doing the same. I live in the township so city ordinances don't apply. I can only speak of the requirements I was told I would have to meet.

    Building/Construction permit: yes, because of the hazardous waste you will be producing. i.e.: lead (bullets/fragments), powder smoke (carbons and other gases)
    Inspected and approved ventilation and filters because of above waste.
    All pipes: gas, water, sewer, in the area must be protected.
    Inspected and approved bullet trap.
    Disposal plan of waste.

    I didn't check any further into the regs because the costs of the above requirements were too much for me to afford.
    All of this may/not apply to your situation. Just an FYI as to what I was told.
    were those ordinances of your township. Or did they reference state laws for those.

    Thanks

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    That info was from the township supervisor for building permits. He also said I may/not have to inform and get my neighbors permission but wasn't sure of it. I didn't bother to find out with regards to that since I wasn't going to pursue it any further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARCHILD View Post
    That info was from the township supervisor for building permits. He also said I may/not have to inform and get my neighbors permission but wasn't sure of it. I didn't bother to find out with regards to that since I wasn't going to pursue it any further.
    I wonder if your township is aware that they are breaking the law by creating firearm legislation.


    have any clue what kind of filter can be used for a range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddseedd View Post
    it wouldn't be a commercial range just my ownso there really wouldn't be a permit for it.
    You would still likely need a building permit. Call up your town/township's bldg dept and make an inquiry.

    I would tell them ya ain't gonna use lead projectiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birddseedd View Post
    I wonder if your township is aware that they are breaking the law by creating firearm legislation.


    have any clue what kind of filter can be used for a range?
    Interesting ... perhaps correct. Filter? I assume a hepa filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    You would still likely need a building permit. Call up your town/township's bldg dept and make an inquiry.

    I would tell them ya ain't gonna use lead projectiles.
    If you have a garage sale, you need a permit. im rebuilding my bathroom, yep, they want a permit there too. need to put a new carpet in, yea. they want money for that too.

    if you get to know me, youll realize, i don't give a pet crow about them and their money grabs. i pay my taxes. and yet my very business itself is against the law, since i park my truck and trailer at my house. they want near 400 bucks just to have a meeting for them to say no. didnt do that either.

    when im carrying dry wall down my basement, im pretty confident they are not going to suite up with their armor and full auto rifles to prevent me from taking drywall and 2x4's to the basement. i need a new sink, not paying their bribe for the privilege of giving my family a working sink either.

    I will however, do all of this in a safe and correct manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Interesting ... perhaps correct. Filter? I assume a hepa filter.
    its called preemption. no government lower than the state of Michigan can create firearms legislation. not all states are like this. knives do not have preemption. any town can outlaw knives, cross the street with a pocket knife and you can be arrested, charged and convicted.

    some are trying to change this.

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    I can find out what filter. just ask a range or hvac guy. here is the hard part

    sound will channel through, how do a baffle it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddseedd View Post
    I wonder if your township is aware that they are breaking the law by creating firearm legislation.


    have any clue what kind of filter can be used for a range?
    The state, under preemption (Act 319 of 1990), allows cities and charter townships to control discharge of firearms. See MCL 123.1104. Corunna, is a city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXDacp View Post
    The state, under preemption (Act 319 of 1990), allows cities and charter townships to control discharge of firearms. See MCL 123.1104. Corunna, is a city.
    I was unaware of that part of it. thank you for the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXDacp View Post
    The state, under preemption (Act 319 of 1990), allows cities and charter townships to control discharge of firearms. See MCL 123.1104. Corunna, is a city.
    2nd amendment trumps that .. one has a right to practice ... I don't see where they can say no, just for saying no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    2nd amendment trumps that .. one has a right to practice ... I don't see where they can say no, just for saying no.
    they don't say "no", they just regulate you to the point its just not particle to be done.

    such as they did with our last lead smelter. they didnt shut them down, just placed 1 million dollars worth of legislation requirements. it just wasnt profitable for them to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddseedd View Post
    they don't say "no", they just regulate you to the point its just not particle to be done.

    such as they did with our last lead smelter. they didnt shut them down, just placed 1 million dollars worth of legislation requirements. it just wasnt profitable for them to continue.
    I would think that a simple fan, exhausting to the outside and using copper projectiles would make it affordable.

    What were you going to do? Just start shooting at a bale of hay in the living room?

    I think having a gun range would raise the value of the place too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I think having a gun range would raise the value of the place too.
    lol, thats what i told my wife.

    just take a part of my basement, wall it off, wall off the ceiling. then build a big box at one end filled with sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddseedd View Post
    lol, thats what i told my wife.

    just take a part of my basement, wall it off, wall off the ceiling. then build a big box at one end filled with sand.
    Sounds like a plan ... a bad plan lol. You need more R&D on how to build a range, that's all, that's why getting a permit is good...the bldg inspector can help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Sounds like a plan ... a bad plan lol. You need more R&D on how to build a range, that's all, that's why getting a permit is good...the bldg inspector can help you.
    lining the walls and ceiling with metal costs too much.

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    What are the laws in Michigan concerning shooting in the city limits?

    As said all cities & townships can & do regulate the discharge of firearms. Not just in MI. Your best bet is to find some state land as close as possible to you where shooting is allowed. Not the answer your looking for, but it's one that will keep you out of jail/court. Try visiting or calling your nearest MI DNR office. They should be able to tell you exactly where you can shoot that's closest to you, not necessarily an outdoor range but a forest area where you can shoot. As always it will be up to you to know your backstops and use safe shooting habits. Remember most folks don't think about state lands for shooting so it may be a good alternative for you, calm peaceful shooting practice in the outdoors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    As said all cities & townships can & do regulate the discharge of firearms. Not just in MI. Your best bet is to find some state land as close as possible to you where shooting is allowed. Not the answer your looking for, but it's one that will keep you out of jail/court. Try visiting or calling your nearest MI DNR office. They should be able to tell you exactly where you can shoot that's closest to you, not necessarily an outdoor range but a forest area where you can shoot. As always it will be up to you to know your backstops and use safe shooting habits. Remember most folks don't think about state lands for shooting so it may be a good alternative for you, calm peaceful shooting practice in the outdoors.
    My township doesnt have any laws on it. The nearest public range is 45 minutes away.

    Statisticially cleaning your gun is more dangerous than shooting. So if i follow basic safety rules i should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    iv been gawking over this design for a long time now. but metal isnt cheap. even with it tho, i still wouldnt feel comfortable without a sand backstop behind the bullet trap.

    something has to catch the bullets my wife misses

    edit, what size metal do you think would be sufficient for hand gun loads? when i priced out the metal i chose pretty thick, having no experience in what size metal will stop a hand gun round, obviously real thick means $$$
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    interesting, there is actually an exemption in our code for the sound of firearms. flying model airplane however, now that one can get you arrested. that and riding a horse.

    hehe, part of me wants to do it without sound deadening to see their resolve on enforcing their laws. course, the rational part of me realizes thats a horrible idea for many reasons not related to government.

    now, i might buy a model helicopter and call the police..... because that one is stupid.

    oh, also, firearms are illegal here. yep. that is what the law says
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