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    No Guns at Great American Ballpark

    It was just on the news.
    Metal detectors at all entrances.

    Isn't this a publicly owned facility?
    Do they lease it to the Cincinnati Reds?
    Does that make a difference?

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    Yes, it's leased to the Reds. Same as Paul Brown Stadium (aka Bengals) when they announced no guns last year. Both are owned by the county but leased to the respective teams. The Reds lease goes till 2037 and the Bengals till 2026.

    2923.126 grants them both....

    (a) Except as provided in division (C)(3)(b) of this section, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation.

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    I've never heard of a shooting at an MLB game.
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    At least some of the minor league ball parks within Ohio are posted in the exact same way. Many were built with public dollars but are now leased to the team's ownership. Pretty sure that the Cleveland Indians facility is also a gun-free zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I've never heard of a shooting at an MLB game.
    I have heard of people intending on shooting .. get to the game and fall asleep before being able to carry out their plans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I have heard of people intending on shooting .. get to the game and fall asleep before being able to carry out their plans...
    I could definitely see that happening at Great American Ballpark
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I could definitely see that happening at Great American Ballpark
    A typical baseball fan ... (not a person trying to shoot anyone)

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    The problem is getting to the ball game and home again. That's the danger.

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    I've been thinking about that too. I wonder if fans could get the ballpark to install arms lockers.
    Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? - Plato

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    There are a lot of times I get pissed I have to disarm, but a pro ball game? Can't you just leave the piece in the truck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    There are a lot of times I get pissed I have to disarm, but a pro ball game? Can't you just leave the piece in the truck?
    Yes, but instead I choose to go places that treat me better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    Yes, but instead I choose to go places that treat me better than that.

    I can respect that, I guess I'm just a big enough baseball fan that I'd feel OK walking the 100 yards from my truck to the entrance without my sidearm so that I may enjoy a nice ball game - although someone would have to drag my dead body to GAB because I'm not a big Reds fan. I do like Devin Mesoraco and Aroldis Chapman, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    I don't recall ever driving to the ballpark and parking that close. I always had a bit of a walk through the city to get to it. Unless they provide lock boxes or remove the prohibition, I won't be attending any games.

    What are pedestrians supposed to do with their sidearms if there are no lock boxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JmE View Post
    I don't recall ever driving to the ballpark and parking that close. I always had a bit of a walk through the city to get to it. Unless they provide lock boxes or remove the prohibition, I won't be attending any games.

    What are pedestrians supposed to do with their sidearms if there are no lock boxes?
    It's always been a prohibited zone, so it's nothing new. They've had signs there ever since I can recall that stadium being built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg View Post
    It's always been a prohibited zone, so it's nothing new. They've had signs there ever since I can recall that stadium being built.
    And I didn't say that it wasn't. Are you suggesting that nobody carried anyway? With detectors, it will be more difficult for those who carried to continue to do so. I was replying to comments about leaving a handgun in the vehicle.

    Now, if you want to comment on the actual substance of my post... Would you be in favor of lock boxes at the ballpark?
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    I am absolutely in favor of lock boxes. I can think of no logical reason to argue in the negative, from my perspective anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JmE View Post
    And I didn't say that it wasn't. Are you suggesting that nobody carried anyway? With detectors, it will be more difficult for those who carried to continue to do so. I was replying to comments about leaving a handgun in the vehicle.

    Now, if you want to comment on the actual substance of my post... Would you be in favor of lock boxes at the ballpark?
    YES!!!!!

    And lock boxes at court houses....

    And lock boxes at __________. (you fill in the blank.)
    Last edited by color of law; 09-06-2014 at 07:47 AM.

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    I'm usually not in favor of more laws but would certainly get behind a law that required any government owned or leased building (in which arms were prohibited) to have publicly accessible lock boxes available,
    Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by JmE View Post
    And I didn't say that it wasn't. Are you suggesting that nobody carried anyway? With detectors, it will be more difficult for those who carried to continue to do so. I was replying to comments about leaving a handgun in the vehicle.

    Now, if you want to comment on the actual substance of my post... Would you be in favor of lock boxes at the ballpark?
    I'm suggesting law abiding people probably didn't carry. At least hopefully they didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by JmE View Post
    I'm usually not in favor of more laws but would certainly get behind a law that required any government owned or leased building (in which arms were prohibited) to have publicly accessible lock boxes available,
    From a government standpoint or a private standpoint? Private no. Government yes. Unfortunately I doubt that would ever pass from a financial standpoint. I believe we'd have a better chance passing that government entities (minus a few select ones) cannot be no carry zones at all. Then the second part is once it's government owned, it's government owned. Any private entity that leases it for a day or even multiple years is prohibited from posting it. I actually believe that is one of the bills currently sitting in the Ohio House waiting for regular sessions in November to be talked about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg View Post
    From a government standpoint or a private standpoint?
    The answer to that question was clearly in my post and you quoted it; "any government owned or leased building (in which arms were prohibited)." Thanks for answering the questions posed.
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