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    "A Message to ISIS for 9/11: We Will Stand Up and Defend America"

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    I carry everyday, and for one reason, not to be a victim. It is not about causes, not even about 9/11, it is about resposibilty for our safety.
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    Handguns don't stop planes, car bombs, or pressure cooker ieds......

    Should carry every day anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The blind link is to a poetry blog.
    Only the 1st article is poetry related. Look at the 2nd one.

    "Of all the civilized countries in the world, the population of the United States has the most well-armed citizens in the world. We have something in the Constitution of the United States called the Second Amendment that allows us to be so armed."

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    9/11 is also a day, that we as American citizens will demonstrate our will to stand up and defend our country from the likes of killers such as the evil face of ISIS.


    Say 9-11 is a reason for everything ! ISIS has done nothing to us, if rhetoric was the standard then we would be at war with N. Korea too. War with everyone ! War on spiders, they harm Americans !

    War on crooked politicians that send our kids to be in harms way for their own reasons? Wait, lets not get crazy.

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    ...and don't forget our so-called "War on Crime, "War on Drugs," and the more recently declared "War on Terror." ALL complete jokes and talk -- no action, no results. After all these many years.

    NO country or rag-tag "insurgent" is afraid of America nowadays, as it has become a PC/Paper Tiger YEARS ago. And a global joke militarily-speaking with empty tough-talk and outrageous "Rules of Engagement" to fight "humane wars" (an oxymoron). And sadly, Israel has become like us, also, too "PC civilized" and so never properly conducting OR finishing a military venture it starts or to which it is responding. Their "Glory Days" (1960s/70s military conflicts against Arab States) are LONG behind them. They're Paper Tigers nowadays, too.

    Whatever, ISIS is doing business the old fashioned, no-nonsense ancient/medieval way. How it SHOULD be done. No wonder they're successful. Plus, they are inspired/motivated by intense religious zeal (intense political/ideology zeal is the OTHER of the 2 well-known Prime Motivators) AND not afraid to die -- like their enemies aren't & are, respectively.

    Still, here in America and in the "civilian world," *I* take the declared "War on Crime" seriously, being armed out there on those mean streets -- even if the ones who declared ("started") it -- those sorry, tough-talking no substance politicians -- don't. So in a way, I'm a soldier in this "War on Crime" and must reasonably assume that if there is a "war" status, then in THIS so-called "War on Crime," CRIMINALS must be the "enemy" (and yes, they are). Makes sense to me. So if said "war" comes to me in a one-on-one encounter in some parking lot, side street, restaurant, car-jacking, home invasion or whatever -- my very own personal "war" if you will -- I do what soldiers do: Kill the enemy (just like my "other war" 44 years ago). It's no difference to me -- war is war -- but then that's probably just me.

    Whatever, THAT's how you REALLY deal with crime...no muss, no fuss, no nonsense, no talk. Just ACT, and act with decisive overwhelming violence to what you're getting. Annihilate the enemy. He starts it, you finish it. However you want.

    That's what our military should do also: Once sent abroad to do a job, let the Dogs of War off their leashes to DO it. No interference from naïve, ignorant, pansy civilians (like the damn President -- and don't tolerate the same lack of spine in generals/admirals, either). And no care for "World Opinion" or "collateral damage" (contrary to popular but ignorant public belief, there are no "innocent civilians" in the concept of "Total War"). Then when the enemy has been annihilated -- and ONLY then -- the Dogs of War are put back on the leash. Until NEXT time.

    That's how you do it. Get primitive. Annihilate the enemy AND all life supporting them. Wholesale. A country doing this EVERY TIME it is messed with will by sheer reputation deter many future attacks. For any future enemies NOT impressed or deterred, it doesn't matter: They just get the opportunity to die/seek martyrdom. Oblige them.

    It's all so simple, really: Violence really DOES solve problems, and lethal violence solves them permanently.

    I like permanent solutions to problems...but again, that's probably just me. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    ...and don't forget our so-called "War on Crime, "War on Drugs," and the more recently declared "War on Terror." ALL complete jokes and talk -- no action, no results. After all these many years.

    NO country or rag-tag "insurgent" is afraid of America nowadays, as it has become a PC/Paper Tiger YEARS ago. And a global joke militarily-speaking with empty tough-talk and outrageous "Rules of Engagement" to fight "humane wars" (an oxymoron). And sadly, Israel has become like us, also, too "PC civilized" and so never properly conducting OR finishing a military venture it starts.

    ISIS is doing business the old fashioned, no-nonsense ancient/medieval way. How it SHOULD be done. No wonder they're successful. Plus, they are inspired/motivated by intense religious zeal (intense political/ideology zeal is the OTHER of the 2 Prime Motivators) AND not afraid to die -- like their enemies aren't & are, respectively.

    Still, *I* take the "War on Crime" seriously, being armed out there on those mean streets -- even if the ones who started it (politicians) don't: So in a way, I'm a soldier in the War on Crime...and I must reasonably assume that if there is a "war" status, then in THIS so-called "War on Crime," then criminals must be (yes, they are) the "enemy." Makes sense to me. So if said "war" comes to me in a one-on-one encounter in some parking lot, side street, restaurant, car-jacking, home invasion or whatever, I do what soldiers do: Kill the enemy (just like my "other war" 44 years ago) -- no difference to me, but then that's probably just me.

    Whatever, THAT's how you REALLY deal with crime...no muss, no fuss, no nonsense, no talk.

    Just ACT, and act with decisive overwhelming violence to what you're getting.

    That's what our military should do also: Once sent abroad to do a job, let the Dogs of War off their leashes to DO it. No interference from naïve, ignorant, pansy civilians (like the damn President -- and don't tolerate the same lack of spine in generals/admirals, either). And no care for "World Opinion" or "collateral damage" (contrary to popular but ignorant public belief, there are no "innocent civilians" in the concept of "Total War"). Then when the enemy has been annihilated -- and ONLY then -- the Dogs of War are put back on the leash. Until NEXT time.

    That's how you do it. Get primitive. Annihilate the enemy AND all life supporting them. Wholesale. A country doing this EVERY TIME it is messed with will by sheer reputation deter many future attacks. For any future enemies NOT impressed or deterred, it doesn't matter: They just get the opportunity to die/seek martyrdom. Oblige them.

    It's all so simple, really. Violence really DOES solve problems. Lethal violence solves them permanently.

    I like permanent solutions to problems...but again, that's probably just me. ;-)
    Very well said,,, And it needs to be said,, And it needs to be heard!!!
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    Soooo you would have no problems if your family was on the receiving end of such a policy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Soooo you would have no problems if your family was on the receiving end of such a policy?
    Confusing post .. care to articulate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Confusing post .. care to articulate?
    Ruby Ridge, Waco, Trail of Tears, General Grant's scorched earth strategy of the South.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    --snipped--
    Makes sense to me. So if said "war" comes to me in a one-on-one encounter in some parking lot, side street, restaurant, car-jacking, home invasion or whatever -- my very own personal "war" if you will -- I do what soldiers do: Kill the enemy (just like my "other war" 44 years ago). It's no difference to me -- war is war -- but then that's probably just me.

    Whatever, THAT's how you REALLY deal with crime...no muss, no fuss, no nonsense, no talk. Just ACT, and act with decisive overwhelming violence to what you're getting. Annihilate the enemy. He starts it, you finish it. However you want.

    That's what our military should do also: Once sent abroad to do a job, let the Dogs of War off their leashes to DO it. No interference from naïve, ignorant, pansy civilians (like the damn President -- and don't tolerate the same lack of spine in generals/admirals, either). And no care for "World Opinion" or "collateral damage" (contrary to popular but ignorant public belief, there are no "innocent civilians" in the concept of "Total War"). Then when the enemy has been annihilated -- and ONLY then -- the Dogs of War are put back on the leash. Until NEXT time.

    That's how you do it. Get primitive. Annihilate the enemy AND all life supporting them. Wholesale. A country doing this EVERY TIME it is messed with will by sheer reputation deter many future attacks. For any future enemies NOT impressed or deterred, it doesn't matter: They just get the opportunity to die/seek martyrdom. Oblige them.

    It's all so simple, really: Violence really DOES solve problems, and lethal violence solves them permanently.

    I like permanent solutions to problems...but again, that's probably just me. ;-)
    We are NOT vigilantes, nor judge and jury. We only condone use of deadly force for legal self-defense - excusable or justified. Never as a preemptive strike. Deployed as a defensive response until the threat has ceased - death is not the goal.

    The "flavor" of your post is distasteful and not appreciated. No more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Ruby Ridge, Waco, Trail of Tears, General Grant's scorched earth strategy of the South.
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    The attack on 9-11 was not done by some cave dwelling terrorist. It was done through a group effort of the federal government and the Israeli government, there may be more involved.

    ISIS is a alphabet agency creation through our federal government.

    So, please, stop shouting your ignorance from the roof tops.
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    I refuse to address a puppet organization of about 3-4,000 members that has nothing to do with me and is being shoved down people's throats by the mainstream media. I'm damn sure not going to let said group affect my daily decision making, nor am I going to vocalize it.

    Acknowledging this group legitimizes this group in my opinion. I OC all day every day and it has nothing to do with *persons of Arab descent*.

    Even if the beheading videos were real (which they are not, not the 2 released by this group anyway), in the game of chess do you bang your fists on the chessboard over the loss of a pawn?

    Let's see if it takes our military another 10-year campaign to rid the Earth of this group of 3-4,000 that our own government helped create.
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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    I am not trying to be cold, but do we bomb and get upset when skydiver goes splat? By now everybody knows that going to the middle east could result in problems.

    I feel sorry for their families, but it is no reason for innocent people to die. I am just baffled that after 40 years of this carp we have not figured it out that kill them all does not work.

    Plus keep in mind that our failure in chief armed and funded these people. How did that turn out in Libya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I refuse to address a puppet organization of about 3-4,000 members that has nothing to do with me and is being shoved down people's throats by the mainstream media. I'm damn sure not going to let said group affect my daily decision making, nor am I going to vocalize it.
    Acknowledging this group legitimizes this group in my opinion. I OC all day every day and it has nothing to do with Haji.
    Even if the beheading videos were real (which they are not, not the 2 released by this group anyway), in the game of chess do you bang your fists on the chessboard over the loss of a pawn?
    Let's see if it takes our military another 10-year campaign to rid the Earth of this group of 3-4,000 that our own government helped create.
    I believe your estimate is a bit low...
    30,000 - 50,000 ~ The number of militants now fighting with the Islamic State, according to a recent estimate by Dr. Hisham al-Hashimi, an expert on the group. Many former Iraqi Army soldiers have been forced to join and others have been recruited from around the region and beyond.

    13,000 ~ The number of square miles thought to be under Islamic State control, a stretch between Syria and Iraq that is roughly the size of Belgium. Other estimates suggest the Islamic State controls an area closer to 35,000 square miles, or roughly the size of Jordan.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5659239.html

    this is not your every day run of the mill terrorist group and your denial the beheadings were not real is baffling since you have shown by your actions and words you accept other things at face value w/o video proof.

    unfortunately, one of greatest fears within the Islamic community is the group will go after the holy cities, Mecca and Medina in the KSA.

    I appreciate your perception to not legitimize or acknowledge this group since they are soooooo far away so I suppose it falls under your concept, out of sight out of mind, but it is reminiscent of a poem by,Martin Niemöller.

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    If ISIS/ISIL/IS - presuming s/he is less adept at camoflage than the infamous Sumdood so I can recognize them - comes at me in a way making me apprehend an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury I will do everything in my power, with every tool I have with me, to stop that threat.

    But if you are wanting me to join some nebulous band of wannabe sojers who will push aside the regularly constituted armed forces in order to be at the front of the front lines then count me out. I did my time, and in spite of that I am old and because of that I am crippled. And if I wasn't I still would not go with some ragtag group of folks wanting to be heroes of whatever ilk.

    The odds of me seeing Sumdood setting out a bomb in some mall (let alone my being in a mall to begin with) are very low. But if I happened to be where there was an active shooter I am not "rushing to the sound of the guns". My first job is to protect me and mine, and then - if I'm feeling generous - to try and help others get away as safely as possible. And yes, I could go to sleep without a care in the world knowing that somebody got killed/maimed because they did not believe in being responsible for their own safety and instead hoped and prayed that somebody who did believe in protecting him/herself from harm would also save them.

    OTOH, you put an invading army, wearing distinctive uniforms, that has gotten past our regularly constituted military and it will be 'Wolverines!" all the way. To the dismay of some ISIS/ISIL/IS (at least at this time) does not fit that description.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    I believe your estimate is a bit low...
    30,000 - 50,000 ~ The number of militants now fighting with the Islamic State, according to a recent estimate by Dr. Hisham al-Hashimi, an expert on the group. Many former Iraqi Army soldiers have been forced to join and others have been recruited from around the region and beyond.

    13,000 ~ The number of square miles thought to be under Islamic State control, a stretch between Syria and Iraq that is roughly the size of Belgium. Other estimates suggest the Islamic State controls an area closer to 35,000 square miles, or roughly the size of Jordan.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5659239.html

    this is not your every day run of the mill terrorist group and your denial the beheadings were not real is baffling since you have shown by your actions and words you accept other things at face value w/o video proof.

    unfortunately, one of greatest fears within the Islamic community is the group will go after the holy cities, Mecca and Medina in the KSA.

    I appreciate your perception to not legitimize or acknowledge this group since they are soooooo far away so I suppose it falls under your concept, out of sight out of mind, but it is reminiscent of a poem by,Martin Niemöller.

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    I care not for your personal attacks. There is no evidence of your claims. You must be confused as to the nature of a lot of my posts. If you need clarification, feel free to PM me as they come up. I'm not looking to delve into this personal attack BS with you again via public forum.

    If you wish to accept those professionally produced "beheading videos" as reality, then have fun. I'm not denying the Americans were likely beheaded, but the videos are a joke - and ISIS wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the US. The "War on Terror" has proven ineffective and even counter intuitive.

    I share a lot of skidmark's sentiments on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    'The Truth" how on earth could anybody get confused on statement(s) you have provided misinformation to membership, without any type of cites, about :quote: "....puppet organization of about 3-4,000 members...." unquote when in fact true estimates of ISIS membership range 30K - 50K as provided by the cite i referenced.

    as for my possible misunderstanding about your statement the professionally produced beheading videos being: quote: "Even if the beheading videos were real (which they are not, not the 2 released by this group anyway...)" unquote could you provide where i mis-spoke that you have accepted other lessor important things at face value?

    just a point, the videos i viewed showed someone struggling, in anguish, gurgling as they choke on their own body fluids, as someone with a semi dull knife slices their throat.

    finally, your perception my post is some sort of a personal attack, nawllllll !! i didn't discuss your heritage, you mommy, your upbringing, nor your gun ~ now those would be considered personal attacks. However, i do find it quite interesting you insist on reacting immediately jumping into a rant 'you are being unjustly persecuted ~ quit it!' whenever ANYBODY you feel causes you to lose face.

    ipse

    BTW, i am sure skid is pleased you "share a lot of his sentiments"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Handguns don't stop planes, car bombs, or pressure cooker ieds......

    Should carry every day anyways.

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    If true, why not allow me to OC my XD .40 on the plane as a deterrent to a rat bastid Muslim terrorist?
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    ISIS doesn't even deserve to be called human. What they are doing to innocent people over there is nothing less than genocide. Minorities that have existed for hundreds or even thousands of years are now extinct because of IS' "if you are not Muslim you die" policy.

    This is a monster of our creation (many here advocate assuming responsibility for one's actions, so should we not to some degree fix the mess we made?) - arming rebel groups that fought strongmen who are not nice people, but knew how to keep these radicals in check was a horrible idea. Saying we never should have gotten involved in Iraq to begin with is beside the point. What is done is done. I see a holocaust unfolding before our very eyes if we let it go unchecked.

    I am not saying we should jump in blindly - we did that in Iraq and look what we got for our trouble. The nations in the region do need to take responsibility for their own security and stop relying on the US and ironically Israel doing it for them. Organize a coalition of willing nations, recognize an independent Kurdistan, let Iran have control of Iraq's Shia eastern regions, limit involvement to humanitarian aid and guidance to coalition nations wanting to militarily go after these punks - (though I think times when IS gathers en masse we should glass the area).

    It is a horrible catch 22 - get involved and commit ourselves to yet more costly war, do nothing and the region succumbs to radical Islam and many thousands murdered for just being who they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I care not for your personal attacks. There is no evidence of your claims. You must be confused as to the nature of a lot of my posts. If you need clarification, feel free to PM me as they come up. I'm not looking to delve into this personal attack BS with you again via public forum.

    If you wish to accept those professionally produced "beheading videos" as reality, then have fun. I'm not denying the Americans were likely beheaded, but the videos are a joke - and ISIS wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the US. The "War on Terror" has proven ineffective and even counter intuitive.

    I share a lot of skidmark's sentiments on the matter.
    I fail to see how he personally attacked you. Where is your proof that these videos are "professionally made" - I agree that IS is a monster of our own creation, but not because of the reasons you think. Challenging Hussein and Assad created a vacuum where people like this could thrive and seize control of territory with little resistance. Giving them clout through endless reporting and supplying rebel groups certainly isn't helping matters either.

    These groups strike me as being very "anarchistic" in a way - no coherent leadership, but have a clear set of goals behind a unifying ideal and purpose. Cut off one head and another grows back.

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    OK I wasn't way off on my numbers, I'm apparently behind on my news and only off by a few thousand. Not sure where the number "35,000-50,000" came from though. This website says 7,000 combat troops. That's pretty close to what I already understood to be true. Their numbers are truly pathetic.

    http://www.vox.com/cards/things-abou...ectarian-lines

    As far as personal attacks, I'm not going to debate someone who instead of posting an argument to the negative against my claim, posts an argument attacking ME, not my argument. That's called ad hominem, and based on my experience with solus in the past, this is nothing new and I want nothing to do with it.

    ...have shown by your actions and words you accept other things at face value w/o video proof.
    This is an attack on my character, implying that I am gullible and ignorant - and is a false claim anyway. If you want to win an argument you need only to prove me wrong, not try to discredit me personally. Do you have video evidence that there are 35,000-50,000 members of ISIS? This argument serves no purpose whatsoever except to discredit me as a person. You prove this point again with this statement:

    finally, your perception my post is some sort of a personal attack, nawllllll !! i didn't discuss your heritage, you mommy, your upbringing, nor your gun ~ now those would be considered personal attacks. However, i do find it quite interesting you insist on reacting immediately jumping into a rant 'you are being unjustly persecuted ~ quit it!' whenever ANYBODY you feel causes you to lose face.
    Maybe you should check your definition of personal attack. It's pretty elementary and inaccurate. Also check the definition of "argument to authority," as it is the converse. Your mention of my "losing face" further proves my point that you think you have caused me to "lose face," justifying my claim that you use ad hominem. I've never typed the words 'unjustly persecuted' in this forum with exception to this sentence.

    Seriously, I'm not going through this with you again, solus.
    Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.

    μολὼν λαβέ

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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