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    CNBC wants to know how you feel about Panera asking you not to bring your gun

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101979812#.

    Panera Bread says they would prefer if we left our firearms at home, but will not post gunbuster signs or say anything to you if you show up wearing your handgun and remain law-abiding.

    So far the reaction is about 2:1 negative.

    Go take the survey - maybe Panera or CNBC thinks the results are important. I know Moms Demand Attention Action cares.

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    Done.

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    21% yes for the better, 74% yes for the worse.
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    Yes, for the better=20%
    Yes, for the worse=75%
    No=4%
    Not sure=1%
    Total Votes: 10874

    and the hits just keep coming.

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    Well,,,

    I voted yes for worse...But its a hard choice to make.
    Worse, cause they now have a no guns, please, here, policy.
    But better, cause the policy is really just, we will follow state law.

    I think the point of their saying anything at all, was to appease the Mommies Demanding Attention!
    Sooo the MDAs feel that they won, but, we can still carry there, they will smile, serve, and take our money!
    Everybody wins!

    Ive never seen a Panera store,, so I cant boycot, and I cant patronize either, soooo, meh.
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    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    I've always hated Panera. Their bread sucks (all of it), which means their sandwiches suck, too.

    I'm amazed they do any business at all. I can only assume it appeals to our inner pretensions sophisticate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I've always hated Panera. Their bread sucks (all of it), which means their sandwiches suck, too.

    I'm amazed they do any business at all. I can only assume it appeals to our inner pretensions sophisticate.
    That's how I feel about Starbucks and Apple, minus the strike.
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    Wowwie!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I've always hated Panera. Their bread sucks (all of it), which means their sandwiches suck, too.

    I'm amazed they do any business at all. I can only assume it appeals to our inner pretensions sophisticate.
    You surprise me today!
    As in Way to go off topic, but not.
    You didnt address Paneras new policy, you dint address the poll voting or the results.
    But I am left to wonder, did you try the sandwich?
    If you always hated Panera, would that mean, you only went there once, or some times?
    Since you do now alway hate Panera, will their new gun policy have ANY effect on your decision to patronize them?
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    The poll questions are ambiguous, each could be interpreted as the other = the results are therefore IMO invalid/meaningless.
    Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    That's how I feel about Starbucks and Apple, minus the strike.
    This ties in with my reply to Marshual...

    Lots of folks have said they dont like Starbucks anyway, so , really it doesnt matter to them,,
    They dont care what the company did or didnt!
    I know guys that wont go to a morning coffee get together, cause they dont drink coffee,
    They got tea, they got pop, and water or milk,,, or you could have a damn beer!!!

    IT IS NOT ABOUT!! the coffee,, the bread,, the pizza!!
    IT is about the 2A right of self defense, it is about businesses following state law!
    IT is about the CONSTITUTION!!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The poll questions are ambiguous, each could be interpreted as the other = the results are therefore IMO invalid/meaningless.
    So you voted yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    This ties in with my reply to Marshual...

    Lots of folks have said they dont like Starbucks anyway, so , really it doesnt matter to them,,
    They dont care what the company did or didnt!
    I know guys that wont go to a morning coffee get together, cause they dont drink coffee,
    They got tea, they got pop, and water or milk,,, or you could have a damn beer!!!

    IT IS NOT ABOUT!! the coffee,, the bread,, the pizza!!
    IT is about the 2A right of self defense, it is about businesses following state law!
    IT is about the CONSTITUTION!!!
    I guess I should have expounded. I actually do like Starbucks' products, and I'd certainly buy their products if not for their corporate heads and their policies and views. Apple products I don't like at all, nor do I like their business or their policies or views. I think that they both sell pretentiousness, which is all I was really responding to in marshaul's post, not the part about the products being good or bad.

    But I see your point and sure, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    That's how I feel about Starbucks and Apple, minus the strike.
    I'm a serious computer user, and I use Macs. It's a far more powerful platform than a Windoze box (Windoze barely qualifies as a fully-fledged OS in my book), and edges out any linux platform either.

    I hate to be a fanboi about it, but the remarks you made in your subsequent post are just the sort of remarks I hear trendily made out of ignorance or, at the very least, a rather simplistic appreciation of things.

    It's one thing to have different taste, but to be clear: Apple is selling the more powerful computer. Those who have convinced themselves they have purchased a more serious computer by avoiding Apple are the ones suffering under pretensions, not to mention a viewpoint wholly furthered by reason of it being popular (I would say "trendy" again, but it's been popular to bash Macs for decades).

    Last edited by marshaul; 09-08-2014 at 08:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    You surprise me today!
    As in Way to go off topic, but not.
    You didnt address Paneras new policy, you dint address the poll voting or the results.
    But I am left to wonder, did you try the sandwich?
    If you always hated Panera, would that mean, you only went there once, or some times?
    Since you do now alway hate Panera, will their new gun policy have ANY effect on your decision to patronize them?
    I got a gift card, so I tried several of their sandwiches. The bread was always too crusty to use for sandwich purposes (like, "the whole inside squeezes out of the sandwich before I've finished biting through it" crusty). One time I got pretty sick, too.
    Last edited by marshaul; 09-08-2014 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futcoinsen View Post
    for the better=20%



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    Does this decision change your opinion on Panera?
    Yes, for the better
    Yes, for the worse
    No
    Not sure
    A organization that focuses on the financial is not asking your opinion on a social/rights issue.

    No is my choice. Panera is a well run and profitable company and I have them in my portfolio. I will not spend one dime of my money on them.
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    Yes, for the worse. 84% after my vote.

    (Thanks for the heads up, Skid).

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    Voted for the worse, in reality I tried them once many years ago and as others have said, found the bread lacking and haven't been back.

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    Affect OC more than CC

    I listened to Jeff Katz on 1140 WRVA yesterday about this topic; many callers said they would continue to carry concealed.

    Well, sure! But what about exposed carry (how does that sound)?

    So, I'm including a link to Truth Revolt, which as the statement from the sensitive and thoughtful CEO:

    Panera Bread Jumps On The "No Guns Allowed" Bandwagon


    Within our company, we strive to create Panera Warmth.

    This warmth means bakery-cafes where customers and associates feel comfortable and welcome. To this end, we ask that guns not be brought into this environment unless carried by an authorized law enforcement officer. Panera respects the rights of gun owners, but asks our customers to help preserve the environment we are working to create for our guests and associates.
    Basically, those who expose themselves make others around them feel UNcomfortable and UNwelcome.

    So go away. But what if you won't? The CEO says:
    We’re certainly not going to put our associates in the position of confronting someone carrying a gun. We won’t put our café management in the position of being law enforcement.
    Well, that's helpful. And what is an authorized law enforcement officer? As opposed to unauthorized?

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    Law enforcement officers make any rational adult uncomfortable, so any place which permits LEOs to be armed to the exclusion of everyone else is an unwelcoming environment.

    QED.

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    Worse, better, unsure...it matters not for as long as the money keeps rolling in. Starbucks, Target, Chipotle...those poor schmucks will have to find another way to make money...oh, wait...nevermind.

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    Kyle Heying > ‎I Support Open Carry in Oklahoma
    EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME. That hub bub about Panera asking customers not to carry firearms on their premises is ONLY FOR CORPORATE LOCATIONS. If you are in a state that has franchise locations, i.e. our home state of Oklahoma, the states of Arizona and Missouri, and I think Kansas is another one in our franchise, then we welcome you wholeheartedly into our restaurant ARMED, let it be concealed or not, this comes straight from the division manager of the OKC area today. So hey come in, if its Norman or anywhere in OKC or Stillwater and beyond, be armed, I sure as hell would appreciate it because it adds to my job security.
    Panera Bread is the latest U.S. company to ask customers not to pack heat.

    "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America" is behind the push. It says it had intense talks with Panera Bread Company for months.

    Panera's CEO Ronald M. Shaich released the following statement,

    "Panera respects the rights of gun owners, but asks our customers to help preserve the environment we are working to create for our guests and associates."

    However, Panera Bread Corporate has made this change in policy, which ask guests not to carry guns, and it affects only the Panera LLC/Corporate-owned locations. In Oklahoma, all Panera stores are franchised, and not required to follow the new policy.

    All Oklahoma franchised stores follow the Oklahoma state laws pertaining concealed weapons and open carry. In other words, this new mandate does not affect Oklahoma at all.

    A Panera spokeswoman said the company will not ask its employees to enforce the new guideline, nor will the policy be posted in the restaurants.

    Other chains have adopted voluntary restrictions and have declined to post no-guns signs in their stores.

    The "Moms Demand Action" group has gotten several stores to ban guns in their businesses, including Target, Chipotle, Starbucks, Jack in the Box, Chili's and even Oklahoma City-based Sonic.

    The main reason is to make customers feel comfortable and to prevent employees from having to intervene if something happens.
    source

    I'm not going to lie. They have some bomb bagels, especially that cinnamon crunch one. Glad I don't have to give that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Law enforcement officers make any rational adult uncomfortable, so any place which permits LEOs to be armed to the exclusion of everyone else is an unwelcoming environment.

    QED.
    Law enforcement officers, per se, do not make me, a rational adult, uncomfortable. I know many law enforcement officers, have had some in my extended family and have worked professionally with many federal LEAs.

    I tend not to categorize people based on who they are or what their legal and honorable profession may be. I have specific opinions about specific people based on my positive -- or negative -- interactions with them.
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