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    No on 594 Rally

    Don't let Bloomberg, Gates, and other the other Billionaire Elites buy your vote. Let them know that your rights are not for sale to the highest bidder. On Oct. 18th. we are going right to the heart of the fight in Seattle at Westlake Center Park. We will be speaking about gun rights and especially about why we must vote no on I-594. Save this date and plan to be there. This is going to be the last big chance to get the message out and is timed to coincide with the arrival of the ballots in everyone's mailboxes. Don't forget to talk to all of your neighbors, friends, family, and coworkers between now and then as well to let them no just how bad I-594 is and have them vote NO on it.

    Hosted by:
    Gun Rights Coalition - https://www.facebook.com/gunrightscoalition
    Open Carry Washington - http://www.opencarrywashington.com/
    Washington Gun Rights - http://www.washingtongunrights.com/
    Gun Rights Across America Washington State - https://www.facebook.com/GunRightsAcrossAmericaWAState
    and other Pro Gun Rights Groups across Washington.

    Facebook Event posted here: https://www.facebook.com/events/3802...0278145459255/

    Oct. 18th. 11:00 AM-2:00 PM
    Westlake Center Park, Seattle, WA

    OC / CC handguns welcomed as long as they stay holstered. This rally is not about carrying your firearms in public, it is about the issues with 594. We are asking that no long guns be carried as to distract from the purpose of the rally.

    Speaker list will soon follow

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    What you gonna do when or if it passes?

    http://www.theolympian.com/2014/04/1...ring.html?rh=1

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    One of the things...

    I don't like about I594 is if I am out shooting in the forest I can't share my guns with other people who have passed background checks, and they can't share there guns with me, which I think is stupid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    What you gonna do when or if it passes?

    http://www.theolympian.com/2014/04/1...ring.html?rh=1


    Well, what're you gonna do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Well, what're you gonna do?
    I already did it, I moved to Idaho from Washington and 594 was a big part of my decision.

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    We've been over this several times.

    The polling isn't definitive. 696 was polling that high in 1997 and it failed.

    This is a mid-term election and liberals are always at a disadvantage. They're even expecting to lose the Senate!

    We just need to rally the voters outside King County!

    594 can be defeated. Even if it isn't there's a good chance the courts will overturn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    I already did it, I moved to Idaho from Washington and 594 was a big part of my decision.
    Way to stay in the fight.



    KOMO to host ‘Town Hall,’ activists announce pro-rights rally

    KOMO will host a “Town Hall” discussion this Friday evening on the dueling initiatives, and early this morning, activists announced on the Open Carry Washington forum that they’re planning a “No on I-594” rally in downtown Seattle on Oct. 18.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/komo...o-rights-rally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Way to stay in the fight.



    KOMO to host ‘Town Hall,’ activists announce pro-rights rally

    KOMO will host a “Town Hall” discussion this Friday evening on the dueling initiatives, and early this morning, activists announced on the Open Carry Washington forum that they’re planning a “No on I-594” rally in downtown Seattle on Oct. 18.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/komo...o-rights-rally
    It's more than 594, Idaho is just less restrictive. Just got tired of the west side of the state pushing their so called values on the conservative east side of Washington. Can't talk on a cell while driving. Have to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle. Speed limit at 70 on the interstate. Can't drink while open carrying <--not saying I do, but I like having the freedom of choice. etc. etc. etc.....

    I am from Vancouver Wash. originally, my extensive family is and lives in Vancouver, but Wash. is just to restrictive for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Well, what're you gonna do?
    I'm on the other coast !

    But really, RKBA groups should be having DRILLS, not rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    What you gonna do when or if it passes?

    http://www.theolympian.com/2014/04/1...ring.html?rh=1
    Stop transfwErring guns outside of an FFL and wait for it to be dismissed for vagueness or over breadth in court
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Stop transfwErring guns outside of an FFL and wait for it to be dismissed for vagueness or over breadth in court
    You'll be waiting a long long time lol

    and can a guy in a robe rule on a right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    I don't like about I594 is if I am out shooting in the forest I can't share my guns with other people who have passed background checks, and they can't share there guns with me, which I think is stupid!
    I'm not worried that the mason and Jefferson county prosecutors where I shoot will charge something like that..... The fastest way to repeal a bad law is enforce it, king county might though
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    If I can get a ride to this event from Snohomish city or Everett, I will come to the rally and OC my 1911. I am willing to give a fair amount of gas money for those who can take me to and from.

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    After my son turns 18, I won't even be able to let him borrow my guns. You won't even be able to let your buddy do a cerecoat job on your gun with out doing a transfer to him, and doing a transfer back to you. Most FFL's charge $50 each transfer. There is NO provision in I-594 on how much a FFL can charge, so it'ts open to market price. The cost to tax payers to try and enforce this will be crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    You'll be waiting a long long time lol

    and can a guy in a robe rule on a right?
    In philosophy class, maybe not, in the real world, all the time. I wouldn't challenge based on the right to bear arms, there's plenty of other grounds, unconstitutionally vague, compels one to use a private service not mandated to provide, etc etc etc, overbroad, covers more then one subject, the recent waiting period ruling in CA could help with challenging ten day wait period...
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    After my son turns 18, I won't even be able to let him borrow my guns. You won't even be able to let your buddy do a cerecoat job on your gun with out doing a transfer to him, and doing a transfer back to you. Most FFL's charge $50 each transfer. There is NO provision in I-594 on how much a FFL can charge, so it'ts open to market price. The cost to tax payers to try and enforce this will be crazy.
    Form a corporation with all your family and friends as trustees.....
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Form a corporation with all your family and friends as trustees.....
    With the vagueness, I'm not even sure that would help. Lexy from the NRA HQ was saying that once they take physical possession then the transfer/BGC requirement kicks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    With the vagueness, I'm not even sure that would help. Lexy from the NRA HQ was saying that once they take physical possession then the transfer/BGC requirement kicks in.
    If the law is that vague then the courts will strike it down. I don't trust our courts to deliver a gun rights victory, but they're pretty good at ruling on procedural and due process claims. Isn't the entire purpose of a corporation that it's a legal "person" ?

    I'm sure lexy is a nice person, but if what she's saying is true, then it makes it all the worse that her group is not dumping a million into the race.
    Last edited by EMNofSeattle; 09-09-2014 at 07:14 PM.
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    Or a trust as part of your estate

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Form a corporation with all your family and friends as trustees.....
    A corporation or trust are legal entities that in my opinion would be exempt. I have a firearms specific trust that is part of my estate and all parties are equal owners. I can add trustees or remove them as I see fit and as such any transfer between parties would be perfectly legal even if this I-594 happens to stick.

    Attached is a quick chart to get some head scratchin' going with regard to non-compliance / enforcability.

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    I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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    A law is only as good as the will to enforce it - Law enforcement have said they strongly oppose I-594 so I doubt the law will mean anything outside of King and maybe Pierce counties assuming it passes.

    Regardless, I will put the date for this event on my calendar. It is a bad law and needs to be stopped.

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    Another cash dump into Wash. gun control effort: Is this overkill?



    The Seattle Times reported yesterday that Bellevue billionaire Steve Ballmer and wife, Connie have added another $250,000 to the already-bursting-at-the-seams campaign coffers of Initiative 594, prompting a source in the comparatively cash-poor rival Initiative 591 camp to observe, “This is just overkill.”

    http://www.examiner.com/article/anot...-this-overkill

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    I will be there. Hope to see everyone then!

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    And now some good news....sorta


    ‘Dueling initiatives’ battle in Washington all about money, messaging

    Increasing national attention is being focused on the “dueling initiatives” battle in Washington State and it is all about money and messaging as today’s Washington Post carries a report that suggests the grassroots gun rights effort is waiting for the National Rifle Association to fully engage.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/duel...oney-messaging

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Way to stay in the fight.



    KOMO to host ‘Town Hall,’ activists announce pro-rights rally

    KOMO will host a “Town Hall” discussion this Friday evening on the dueling initiatives, and early this morning, activists announced on the Open Carry Washington forum that they’re planning a “No on I-594” rally in downtown Seattle on Oct. 18.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/komo...o-rights-rally
    I got my reservation for this event, I just need my boss to give me the time off, and I'm there.

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