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    Henrico Police will wear 'Body Cameras' while on patrol

    This would seem to feature AXON-Flex, but the article doesn't say.

    Chairwoman Patricia S. O’Bannon flubbed things up with incompetence at the Board meeting, causing a shutdown of the presentation.

    This could be helpful in various LEO encounters; "he said - he said" could sync up now. Win Win?

    Henrico police to roll out body cameras for officers
    Henrico County police officers will begin wearing body-mounted cameras this fall.

    County police hope to have the first 36 cameras in hand by Oct. 1, Police Chief Douglas A. Middleton told the county’s Board of Supervisors at a Tuesday meeting.

    “It’s a huge asset to us in the investigation of cases and in the investigation of the complaints that come in as well,” Middleton told the supervisors.

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    The department aims to have a camera for each of the 400 or so uniformed officers in the county by Jan. 1, 2016, Middleton said. “Obviously, a lot of things can interfere with that, but that’s what I would like to have happen,” he told the board.

    The cameras will cost $800 each.

    We’re going to use money that we took from drug dealers to pay for it,” Middleton told the supervisors.
    Ah yes, forfeiture & seizure to the rescue, kind of like the Meals Tax!

    As for others:
    Chesterfield County Police Department does not use dashboard cameras or body cameras, according to representatives for those agencies.

    Richmond police also do not have body cameras, but some of the police cruisers have dashboard cameras, according to a representative.
    But wait, there's more. Bias Training!
    Also Tuesday, Henrico police announced a plan to implement fair and impartial policing training for all 613 sworn officers.

    Middleton, the county police chief, told the supervisors that Henrico police first started investigating the training last fall.

    “Fair and impartial behavior is one of the hallmarks of policing in a democratic society,” Middleton said.

    The police training will be undertaken in conjunction with Richmond’s police force, he said. It aims to teach police how to identify their own biases, including implicit biases.

    “Bias is a normal human attribute,” Middleton said. “Even well-intentioned people have biases.”

    Middleton said he wants the training even though he believes his department already does a good job of treating the people with whom it interacts fairly. For example, he said, the man who climbed a track fence while shirtless at last weekend’s NASCAR race complimented the police officers’ behavior after his arrest.

    He said his standard has been that the people with whom police interact should receive the same experience that police officers would want for themselves or family members were the positions reversed.
    Does that include tolerance for Open-Carry?


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    What training?

    Here's a camera, turn it on, keep it on, don't putz with it, return it to the station, don't use it to make child porn, don't video people in private (you shouldn't even be there anyway),

    Training complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    What training?

    Here's a camera, turn it on, keep it on, don't putz with it, return it to the station, don't use it to make child porn, don't video people in private (you shouldn't even be there anyway),

    Training complete.
    Please try to keep up.

    BIAS TRAINING, not how to use the camera.

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    We're talking about Henrico cops, they probably need the training in using cameras too

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    There is no rush to see that all patrol officers have body cams - target date to equip all is 2016!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    There is no rush to see that all patrol officers have body cams - target date to equip all is 2016!
    And what are the odds that any of the &#!s anyone would have cause to complain about are "oh that officer doesn't have a camera"?

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    Pretty soon a lack of video evidence on the part of the police in the event of a stop might even negate any charges so long as every cop is required to wear a camera. I'm for it! This is progress, but I'd like to see this happen in major cities riddled with rogue cops trampling the Constitution as well. I've never been worried about Henrico cops. Then again I've never broken the law in Henrico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    There is no rush to see that all patrol officers have body cams - target date to equip all is 2016!
    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    And what are the odds that any of the &#!s anyone would have cause to complain about are "oh that officer doesn't have a camera"?
    Wonder too what the process will be to see to it that the batteries are kept charged. They will need "spares" for when units malfunction, are off line for repairs. Begs the question: Will they have a factory trained, certified body cam armorer?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Pretty soon a lack of video evidence on the part of the police in the event of a stop might even negate any charges so long as every cop is required to wear a camera. I'm for it! This is progress, but I'd like to see this happen in major cities riddled with rogue cops trampling the Constitution as well. I've never been worried about Henrico cops. Then again I've never broken the law in Henrico.
    We have had some problems with Henrico PD - just look the the long drawn out scouser story - which has still not been concluded.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...lowing-the-law

    Also the Sav-A-Job pavilion at Innsbrook during the Eric Cantor rallies where HPD acted to prevent anyone legally carrying to set foot on the grounds. No they were not paid security for Sav-A-Job.

    Also had 2 or 3 top brass at a VCDL meeting. When they were asked on what grounds they would stop and check a gun carrier, they were a lot of hurrups, coughing and throat clearing, but no good answers.

    Henrico PD has a ways to go to gain our confidence as being fair and impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    We have had some problems with Henrico PD - just look the the long drawn out scouser story - which has still not been concluded.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...lowing-the-law
    I've read that story before. Just re-read it and it's equally appalling. I would love to know that cop's name and which area he is assigned. Not only should scouser win his case, an impressive civil settlement should be in order.

    I really don't understand the logic of a judge or Commonwealth Attorney pursuing a case like that.

    Not to hi-jack the thread, but I had a vindictive ex-gf have Roanoke PD take out a grand larceny warrant against me back in about 2007. I was served with the warrant at 10am on a Sunday morning. She claimed that I stole a digital camera of hers at the time I moved out of our apartment when we broke up (I "peaced out"). I bought the camera, and it was mine. I even had the receipt from the camera and I even used a debit card with my name on it to pay for it and the receipt (which I had in my bedroom, bedside table) even had this information on it. The arresting cop was actually shaking his head and apologized to me, but wouldn't even allow me to show it to him (he wouldn't let me go back into my house). He and I both knew it was ********. He even told me on the ride downtown that I would likely be out within a half hour, for free. I ended up sitting for an hour but got out that day. I was never even put in a cell, they just sat me down in a chair in an office. I later convinced the ex to drop the charges and she did, and that was that. I played it smart and got out of it totally free of charge, lawfully and monetarily, but in restrospect I wish I had just represented myself, plead not guilty, beat it, and then hopefully the Commonwealth would press charges on her and I could maybe even win a lawsuit against her for damages. It would have been too easy, but I decided that it wasn't worth my time. I just wanted to move on.

    In scouser's case, I would not move on until I had a considerable settlement nailed down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth;2090226--snipped--I would love to know that [B
    cop's name [/B]and which area he is assigned. Not only should scouser win his case, an impressive civil settlement should be in order.

    I really don't understand the logic of a judge or Commonwealth Attorney pursuing a case like that..............
    The officer's name is buried in the linked thread somewhere if I remember correctly - no question but that scouser and his attorney have it + a number of others.

    The Henrico CA will proceed on the word of an officer that did not even witness the alleged incident - which is exactly what happened in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The officer's name is buried in the linked thread somewhere if I remember correctly - no question but that scouser and his attorney have it + a number of others.

    The Henrico CA will proceed on the word of an officer that did not even witness the alleged incident - which is exactly what happened in this case.
    I have it along with the transcripts of the trials in my video notes. I'll dig out the drive they're on this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I've read that story before. Just re-read it and it's equally appalling. I would love to know that cop's name and which area he is assigned. Not only should scouser win his case, an impressive civil settlement should be in order.

    I really don't understand the logic of a judge or Commonwealth Attorney pursuing a case like that.

    Not to hi-jack the thread, but I had a vindictive ex-gf have Roanoke PD take out a grand larceny warrant against me back in about 2007. I was served with the warrant at 10am on a Sunday morning. She claimed that I stole a digital camera of hers at the time I moved out of our apartment when we broke up (I "peaced out"). I bought the camera, and it was mine. I even had the receipt from the camera and I even used a debit card with my name on it to pay for it and the receipt (which I had in my bedroom, bedside table) even had this information on it. The arresting cop was actually shaking his head and apologized to me, but wouldn't even allow me to show it to him (he wouldn't let me go back into my house). He and I both knew it was ********. He even told me on the ride downtown that I would likely be out within a half hour, for free. I ended up sitting for an hour but got out that day. I was never even put in a cell, they just sat me down in a chair in an office. I later convinced the ex to drop the charges and she did, and that was that. I played it smart and got out of it totally free of charge, lawfully and monetarily, but in retrospect I wish I had just represented myself, plead not guilty, beat it, and then hopefully the Commonwealth would press charges on her and I could maybe even win a lawsuit against her for damages. It would have been too easy, but I decided that it wasn't worth my time. I just wanted to move on.

    In scouser's case, I would not move on until I had a considerable settlement nailed down.
    Do not cops investigate anymore? Do not cops hold to account citizens who lodge false reports? Do not cops have any respect for and the equal, unbiased, enforcement of the laws? Do not cops hold to account those who waste precious police resources?

    Do not citizens hold lawbreaking citizens who slander them to account?

    Or, are the preceding rhetorical questions and I should've known better.

    Not a ding against ya, you are a far more accommodating, and forgiving, man than I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Do not cops investigate anymore? No Do not cops hold to account citizens who lodge false reports? No Do not cops have any respect for and the equal, unbiased, enforcement of the laws? No Do not cops hold to account those who waste precious police resources? No

    Do not citizens hold lawbreaking citizens who slander them to account? No - except posibly for the one person so injured

    Or, are the preceding rhetorical questions and I should've known better. Yes

    Not a ding against ya, you are a far more accommodating, and forgiving, man than I.
    This is Captain Obvious. I want to thank skidmark for allowing me to use his account to respond to your inquiries.
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    I would like to see some of these "body cam" manufacturers make their products available to the general public, rather than just LE.

    Does anyone know of any which are?

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    The Cop's name is Mallory. I'm still sitting on all this until the case is over and any future litigation is out of the way,,,,but it can't hurt to put this up.

    1 OFFICER R.W.E. MALLORY,
    2 called as a witness, having been first duly
    3 sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
    4 DIRECT EXAMINATION
    5 BY MS. SHERIDAN:
    6 Q Sir, you are R.W.E. Mallory with Henrico Police?
    7 A Yes, ma'am.
    8 Q And you were so employed in that capacity back
    9 on April the 9th of this year?
    10 A Yes, I was.
    11 Q Okay. And you were working and at some point
    12 spoke to a Mr. Nathaniel Goodman?
    13 A Yes. I was working off duty at the Collegiate
    14 school on the morning of the 10th and I was advised of a
    15 situation that had happened the previous evening and spoke
    16 to Mr. Goodwin.
    17 Q All right. And with the information you gleaned
    18 from Mr. Goodwin, what did you do?
    19 A After hearing his account of what had happened,
    20 I tried to verify the information based off of the license
    21 plate that was provided to see if it matched the vehicle,
    22 and also to look at the DMV photo to see if it matched the
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    1 description of the person he said was driving the vehicle.
    2 Q And your investigation led you to Mr. Graham
    3 Corry; is that correct?
    4 A Yes. He was the registered owner of the
    5 vehicle.
    6 Q And do you see Mr. Corry in the courtroom today?
    7 A Yes. He's standing next to his attorney.
    8 THE COURT: Let the record reflect that he
    9 identified the Defendant.
    10 BY MS. SHERIDAN:
    11 Q And, sir, did you have an occasion to speak with
    12 Mr. Corry about what had occurred on the evening of April
    13 the 9th?
    14 A Not until the evening of the 11th. At that
    15 point I had already spoken to Assistant Commonwealth
    16 Attorney Finemel (ph.) and had obtained an arrest warrant
    17 for brandishing a firearm.
    18 Q And so did you go to Mr. Corry's home?
    19 A I did.
    20 Q All right. And at that point was he placed
    21 under arrest?
    22 A He was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Do not cops investigate anymore? Do not cops hold to account citizens who lodge false reports? Do not cops have any respect for and the equal, unbiased, enforcement of the laws? Do not cops hold to account those who waste precious police resources?

    Do not citizens hold lawbreaking citizens who slander them to account?

    Or, are the preceding rhetorical questions and I should've known better.

    Not a ding against ya, you are a far more accommodating, and forgiving, man than I.
    Captain Obvious took care of the rhetorical questions. As for my leniency, it was the end of a miserable year long breakup process in which I was cheated on, humiliated, not to mention I was flat BROKE, so I just wanted it to all be over so that I could move on with my life. I was well past the point of wanting anything to do with any of it, and was happy to get out of it free of charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I would like to see some of these "body cam" manufacturers make their products available to the general public, rather than just LE.

    Does anyone know of any which are?
    AXON-Flex is from Taser.

    See? It's for On-Officers:

    AXON flex on-officer video

    Look at this promotional from EVIDENCE.com.

    "We manage evidence so you don't have to."

    (It's all in the Cloud ... so Hackers can 'manage' too!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    AXON-Flex is from Taser.

    See? It's for On-Officers:

    AXON flex on-officer video

    Look at this promotional from EVIDENCE.com.

    "We manage evidence so you don't have to."

    (It's all in the Cloud ... so Hackers can 'manage' too!)
    That's very nice, but is it available for non-LE use?

    I don't think so - so I wonder why you quoted my post which specifically asked about "body cam" manufacturers who make their products available to the general public, rather than just LE??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I would like to see some of these "body cam" manufacturers make their products available to the general public, rather than just LE.

    Does anyone know of any which are?
    Just one of several. http://www.vievu.com/ Mentioned because I was referred to thenm when they were crowdfunding their personal camera. It works but has some drawbacks. Their other products are for sale, but do check the costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Just one of several. http://www.vievu.com/ Mentioned because I was referred to thenm when they were crowdfunding their personal camera. It works but has some drawbacks. Their other products are for sale, but do check the costs.
    How about spelling out what you feel are the drawbacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    That's very nice, but is it available for non-LE use?

    I don't think so - so I wonder why you quoted my post which specifically asked about "body cam" manufacturers who make their products available to the general public, rather than just LE??
    Yes, after they catch up on orders it'll be available but here are 4 pages of body worn cameras including the all popular GoPro.

    http://www.officerstore.com/store/se...px?keys=camera

    I'm not sure what the big deal is. They've had dash cams for years and they aren't always on just like the body cams will off and they don't work when they don't want them to just like the body cams won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Yes, after they catch up on orders it'll be available but here are 4 pages of body worn cameras including the all popular GoPro...
    WOW. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
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    Also had 2 or 3 top brass at a VCDL meeting. When they were asked on what grounds they would stop and check a gun carrier, they were a lot of hurrups, coughing and throat clearing, but no good answers.

    .
    Hahaha .. just like my assessor when I questioned her under oath about how she assesses property ... lots of clearing her throat. But at least I extracted the testimony I wanted and the BAM! adjournment for the assessment review board to consult the "statues".

    I'm surprised you let them out of the bldg. w/o answering your question of just flat out told them to answer or leave immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    How about spelling out what you feel are the drawbacks?
    It's an on/off camera with a strong spring clip that does not hold it straight ahead on anything that is not itself stiff and stable. IOW, not so good on shirt fronts, lapels, or suspenders that have any give in them.

    Charge it up and turn it on. Watch out as the back can get hot. There are no adjustments to the camera functions. The wi-fi connection is not great and has several bugs that are sometimes described as "features" and other times described as "we're working on it."

    1 1/2 hours (max) of run time with no way to swap out for a fresh battery.

    It's expensive - you can get a GoPro with bells and whistles and attachments and spare batteries for about the same price.

    OTOH, color and sound qhality are good.

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