FBrinson
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A flag is a piece of cloth. It's power is only that which is given to it.
Forced patriotism is NOT liberty.
Forced patriotism is NOT liberty.
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insane patriotards get butthurt over mechanic using imperial flag to fix machinery
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FBrinson
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You get my vote for the most effective use of snark today.
marshaul
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Quote my post to see how I did it:
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If you click on the "BBCode is on" link at the bottom of the new post page it tells you this.
twoskinsonemanns
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It's only a contradiction if they perceive the flag to be a symbol of the oppression of liberty. Most don't. The flag was around long before our current totalitarian minded government. It was there when folks died to get independence.
Perhaps there are those that would take the meaning of the stars and strips back from what it is becoming.
Thanks, dude! Hopefully a few have been exposed to Bill Hicks who weren't otherwise!
marshaul
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I used to be a Bill Hicks fanatic. I still find his comedy hilarious, but...
There are two things that have come to bother me as I age, which have de-elevated Hicks from the status of "Another Dead Hero" (that being a Tool reference for the uninitiated) in my mind:
#1: His position on firearms in the US vs the UK was remarkably facile, given his penetrating insight and correctness on virtually everything else. I blame this on...
#2: His blatant partisanship (which never jumped out at me in my youth). I totally sympathize with his celebrating the defeat of Bush I, but in the long retrospect of years passed (and given that Bush was the only president to significantly cut military spending in decades), some of his rants along this vein are truly cringe-worthy. Looking back, as the insidious march of creeping statism continued apace during the presidency of Clinton, it's hard to listen to these bits as anything more than TEAM cheerleading.
Still, I'd rather listen to Bill Hicks on repeat until the day I die than hear another minute of Dane Cook et al.
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davidmcbeth
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I don't fly the flag .. I know what country I'm in ... and I would think that most around also know.
Not like some dude coming out of the ocean would need me to fly a flag for him to figure it out either.
Not like some dude coming out of the ocean would need me to fly a flag for him to figure it out either.
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77zach
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Wow, you fought in the revolutionary war!?
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papa bear
Regular Member
You know i did some more thinking on this the other day.
how is it the mechanic didn't think that something like this was not a little wrong
either he is totally ignorant of the flag, not knowing of it, or he intentionally disgraced it
i wonder how could someone be that totally unfeeling about things
how is it the mechanic didn't think that something like this was not a little wrong
either he is totally ignorant of the flag, not knowing of it, or he intentionally disgraced it
i wonder how could someone be that totally unfeeling about things
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I think it's an emotional thing for some people, for others it means absolutely nothing. Me personally, I have a lot of respect for say... The Gadsden Flag. The American Flag, I do respect it but not quite like I do the Gadsden Flag. It's a matter of what they stand for, and it's a subjective thing. Any law that would make it illegal to desecrate either of the flags is in my opinion hypocritical to what the flags are supposed to represent. I think the US Flag used to mean more to more people, and has lost its value more recently. I'd be ok with making the US adopt a different flag before I was ok with making it illegal to desecrate.
Grizz272
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Just noticed the OP is a 13'er don't feed the troll.
Jeff. State
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twoskinsonemanns
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I don't know. I can relate to that. I don't have any feelings toward any flag.
It's an identifying symbol. No emotional attachment for me. Maybe I'm a sociopath.
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Bikenut
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Some see the flag as a symbol of an oppressive government or an oppressive society.
I see the flag as a symbol of the dreams of liberty, of equality, of opportunity, of prosperity, that live in the hearts and minds of men and women who were, and still are, willing to die so that others could enjoy some semblance of liberty, of equality, of opportunity, and of prosperity.
That is just the way I see the flag... everyone else is free to see the flag as a symbol of whatever they wish the flag to be but it would be nice if they would remember that men and women died so they could have the freedoms they now enjoy... including the freedom to see the flag as a symbol of whatever they wish to see it as.
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Sometimes I think people don't understand the meaning of the word "died" ... it is much more than just someone not being around anymore... it really means:
Never seeing another sunrise...
Never tasting a cold beer...
Never laughing at a joke...
Never feeling the love someone else freely gives...
Never freely giving love to someone else...
Never making love....
Never making a baby...
Never seeing your own child grow up...
And that is just a small measure of what SOMEONE ELSE gave up so that you, me, and everyone living in this country will have the opportunity to enjoy those things and so much more....
I see the flag as a symbol of the dreams of liberty, of equality, of opportunity, of prosperity, that live in the hearts and minds of men and women who were, and still are, willing to die so that others could enjoy some semblance of liberty, of equality, of opportunity, and of prosperity.
That is just the way I see the flag... everyone else is free to see the flag as a symbol of whatever they wish the flag to be but it would be nice if they would remember that men and women died so they could have the freedoms they now enjoy... including the freedom to see the flag as a symbol of whatever they wish to see it as.
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Sometimes I think people don't understand the meaning of the word "died" ... it is much more than just someone not being around anymore... it really means:
Never seeing another sunrise...
Never tasting a cold beer...
Never laughing at a joke...
Never feeling the love someone else freely gives...
Never freely giving love to someone else...
Never making love....
Never making a baby...
Never seeing your own child grow up...
And that is just a small measure of what SOMEONE ELSE gave up so that you, me, and everyone living in this country will have the opportunity to enjoy those things and so much more....
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Primus
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MSG Laigaie
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I will stand for some of that
Do what you will, harm none.
It was never the "symbol" but the ideas of Liberty the Flag represented that were in my mind while I was in all those "foxholes".
Now you have it. It is not the Flag itself, but the ideas behind it that drive me to defend it.
It is a symbol. It is known world wide. When displayed all who see it have a different anchor point for it's meaning. Some, despise it for recent history. Some believe strongly about what it represents in their own personal lives. I grew up in the '50s and '60s. The Flag was revered. The People who raised me fought in WW2 and they had a very distinct feeling about that piece of cloth. The pride of history that I feel when I see my Flag is mine. The method you use to honor the Flag is inconsequential to me.
marshaul
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A time when American nationalism had reached the height of collectivism? Forgive me if I look upon this era as the absolute nadir in the history of American political thought.
It's a time to be vociferously rejected for the terrible attitudes it instilled in the American psyche, not to be look back upon longingly as a better time passed.
Furthermore, symbols of liberty are worse than useless, for they may inspire folks to congratulate themselves for liberties they do not, in fact, possess. A society with a strong culture of liberty has no need for artificial symbols of that liberty, for each man is his own walking reification of that ideal.
The free man is the only true symbol of liberty. Anything else is a saccharine counterfeit.
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piss on liberty, piss on the constitution, but how dare you if you piss on a piece of cloth probably made in China.
It's integral to the fake patriotism spewed by intolerant blowhards who cry they're more patriotic than anyone who opposes their nut-case socialist or nut-case unbridled greed views.
It's integral to the fake patriotism spewed by intolerant blowhards who cry they're more patriotic than anyone who opposes their nut-case socialist or nut-case unbridled greed views.
WalkingWolf
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Are you intentionally trying for the ban hammer award?
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