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    Carry in public? Carry at home

    I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but for those who take off their gun when they get home: don't. Home invasions happen at any time of the day, just the same as bad things can happen in "good" parts of town. Just because you are at home doesn't mean there is no potential danger (unless you live in a fortress). Do you want to bet your life on your ability to get to your gun in another room when some lowlife busts through your door?

    If you're going to carry, carry always.

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    Agree and yes I do
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    While working outside or in my shop
    While digging holes with a skid steer loader
    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.

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    I guess it depends on if one is willing or not to allow their wife to be kidnapped !

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    Usually I do. Sometimes I roam around in my PJ's for hours though. However, I usually have some type of firearm in every room of the house.
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    I thought it was a constitutional requirement to have your firearm within arms reach at all times. Doesn't it say somewhere in the good book that if you don't have a sword then beat your plowshare into sword.

    If I recall, a few years ago during a home invasion the thug invader tied the old man to a chair. After a couple of hours of ransacking the old man begged and begged to use the bathroom. The thug finely relented and let the old man use the bathroom. That was the thugs mistake. The old man had a gun hidden in the bathroom. Lets just say at the end of that day the world was minus one thug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I guess it depends on if one is willing or not to allow their wife to be kidnapped !
    I'm just amazed someone would find you marriage material...(cymbal, snare drum).

    Yes, carry at home, since that's where most home invasions happen. And you never know if you're in Bigfoot territory (though most of 'em are harmless).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    I'm just amazed someone would find you marriage material...(cymbal, snare drum).

    Yes, carry at home, since that's where most home invasions happen. And you never know if you're in Bigfoot territory (though most of 'em are harmless).
    Correction!!!! I believe all home invasions happen at home. So if I'm wrong then which home invasions don't happen at home?

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    When I read the thread title I though you were going to be telling people to keep their carry to their own homes :roll eyes: didn't see the username.

    I too carry in the house.

    But you're right, it can happen anywhere. I chose my residence speicifcally because it's in a 'good' part of town. Within a couple of years someone got shot in the face here in my neighborhood. It can happen anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Diealotz View Post
    Agree and yes I do
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    While working outside or in my shop
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    Arent there some states that prohibit this even with a permit? I lose track of the must conceal, must OC or no loaded carry in vehicles. Personally I would be tempted to keep it on the dashboard or in a place that is clearly visible and put some form of bumper sticker on the car warning the owner is armed. If I get stopped, we all know how to deal with LEOs, or should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Correction!!!! I believe all home invasions happen at home. So if I'm wrong then which home invasions don't happen at home?
    ROFL !

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    Uh, someone else's house (you are visiting)?

    (for those who didn't get the joke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Arent there some states that prohibit this even with a permit? I lose track of the must conceal, must OC or no loaded carry in vehicles. Personally I would be tempted to keep it on the dashboard or in a place that is clearly visible and put some form of bumper sticker on the car warning the owner is armed. If I get stopped, we all know how to deal with LEOs, or should do.
    VA is essentially whatever you want, just don't CC on your person in the car without a permit. NC is must OC. SC is must CC. In vehicle. I'm sure there are other variants.
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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    VA is essentially whatever you want, just don't CC on your person in the car without a permit. NC is must OC. SC is must CC. In vehicle. I'm sure there are other variants.
    It's an interesting 'gotcha' in Va. When I was looking to start carrying, I was afraid to transport the firearm home from the gunshop in the car. I just wasn't sure - oddly it didn't occur to me to Google Va carry laws. Had I known that OC was allowed in Va, I would have armed up years ago (2006).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    VA is essentially whatever you want, just don't CC on your person in the car without a permit. NC is must OC. SC is must CC. In vehicle. I'm sure there are other variants.
    i'm most interested in WI, MN and OH as I live in WI, am very close to the MN border and I have family and friends in OH.

    WI I believe has the interesting wording that OC in a vehicle without a permit is 'unlawfully concealed'. MN you can carry in a vehicle only with a permit though not sure whether OC or CC and OH i'm not sure at all. Some of the wording in states legislation is a pain in the neck to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    i'm most interested in WI, MN and OH as I live in WI, am very close to the MN border and I have family and friends in OH.

    WI I believe has the interesting wording that OC in a vehicle without a permit is 'unlawfully concealed'. MN you can carry in a vehicle only with a permit though not sure whether OC or CC and OH i'm not sure at all. Some of the wording in states legislation is a pain in the neck to say the least.
    In Ohio you cannot legally have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle, whether open or concealed, unless you have a license recognized by Ohio (and a WI license is not recognized by Ohio). Once you have a license recognized by Ohio it doesn't matter how you carry it as long as it isn't accessible to unauthorized persons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    i'm most interested in WI, MN and OH as I live in WI, am very close to the MN border and I have family and friends in OH. WI I believe has the interesting wording that OC in a vehicle without a permit is 'unlawfully concealed'. [ ... ]
    That is case law from State v. Walls, 190 Wis. 2d 65, 526 N.W.2d 765 (Ct. App. 1994)
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    I had a bear looking into my living space last year. The dog let me know, and there was only a screen door keeping him out. Since then I keep vigilant, keep the door closed, and a firearm close by. Sneaky little sheits can come around at anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Arent there some states that prohibit this even with a permit?.
    Some states consider vehicle carry "concealed", therefore a "permit" is required, as in Washington. No worries, we follow the law. I do not know of a State that does not allow vehicle carry at all.

    I put my pistol in the holster as soon as I get out of bed. At he end of the day, when I get back in that bed, I take it off. I always know where it is, I always know it is loaded, I always know that I have the means to defend myself.

    I keep my doors locked because I live in the woods, in a park. Very beautiful, but the whole bloody world walks past my house. Some are not friendly. Please do not burst thru my door. It will not matter who you are, gang banger(we have quite a few), LEO(knock w/warrent), it does not matter. We have planned for it, we have practiced it, we restock the supplies needed to combat it. You will not be successful trying a HI at my location. You will be met with guns, dogs, sharp things, and chemicals. You will not be successful.

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    Don't advertise a firearm in ones car, else who will the cops believe on an accusation of armed road-rage when they indeed find a gun in your car, legal or not?

    Hmm, a locked house in the woods? Not very far then. There would be plenty of time and privacy to take a sawzall to a back wall rather than break in a locked door or window deep in the woods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Don't advertise a firearm in ones car, else who will the cops believe on an accusation of armed road-rage when they indeed find a gun in your car, legal or not?

    This is how I feel when I cross into NC. I don't understand it, really. I'm forced to handle my pistol and have it in view if anyone were to glance into my truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    always carry. Even when I bum around the house in PJs suffering a hang over I still carry. That's why all my PJs have draw strings
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    VA is essentially whatever you want, just don't CC on your person in the car without a permit. NC is must OC. SC is must CC. In vehicle. I'm sure there are other variants.
    New to posting here but have reading for a few months (actually registered to ask this question). Could you tell me where you got this information? I usually use handgunlaws and LegalHeat and have never seen anything about being required to OC in a vehicle in NC. I know that you must inform if you are pulled over but want to find where the OC requirements are listed as I have always CC'd the few times I've been there. Luckily I don't go there often but want to make sure I fully understand the law when I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevermore1 View Post
    New to posting here but have reading for a few months (actually registered to ask this question). Could you tell me where you got this information? I usually use handgunlaws and LegalHeat and have never seen anything about being required to OC in a vehicle in NC. I know that you must inform if you are pulled over but want to find where the OC requirements are listed as I have always CC'd the few times I've been there. Luckily I don't go there often but want to make sure I fully understand the law when I do.
    If you have a NC CC permit you may CC in your vehicle. Me being an out of stater with no CWP in VA (my home state), I must OC even in my vehicle. I should have specified. However, VA CWP does have reciprocity in NC, so you could carry CC in your vehicle in NC with a VA CWP. In Chapel Hill I'm pretty sure OC is illegal. I haven't done proper research into Chapel Hill because I assumed that OC in vehicle was ok since I can't legally conceal without a permit, so how else would it be possible to carry in my vehicle?

    Here's a link for reciprocity to VA CWP
    http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm

    NC carry in a vehicle rules (page 7)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    nevermore1, et el., welcome
    first since there are no NC statutes discussing OC, alls fair in love in war' at least that is the the GA feels, however, there are some local communities which have implemented their own interpretation of a lack of OC guidance to mean they must impose their own local guidance on its citizens. these exceptions are far and few between within the state as most are quite enlightened on firearm carry.

    regarding your query on vehicle carry, the NC AG provides vehicle carry in his firearm overview:

    quote ...when transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the weapon is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of an automobile? unquote
    http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299...-gun-Laws.aspx pg 22.

    (caveat ~ the above is discussing weapon(s) defined in NC statutes not just firearms!!)

    as in all situations during interaction with LE, officer safety, from their perspective at least, is paramount and therefore your notification to them of a firearm in the vehicle will go a long way to making your encounter with them shorter. i subscribe to the theory if it is sitting on the seat, LE's are or should be, adults with fairly good eyesight and can see it in plain sight.

    however, as some author's regale, whenever i venture outside my sphere of normal travel there is a locked box (small document fire box from walmart) with appropriate foam with an outline for my firearm (s), in my vehicle sitting open on the passenger seat holding my firearm which keeps it from sliding around due to my NASCAR driving tendencies; protecting it in the event of a crash; or i must evacuate the vehicle hurriedly; or in the event of a LE interaction, i just slam the lid closed, it locks automatically, i can then without hesitation state, i do not have a firearm readily available to me. i have been assured by legal advice, the box does not fall under the purview of Heller search criteria and a search warrant must be obtained to look inside of the box. btw, the box's key is not maintained pm my key ring or in the cabin of the vehicle.

    since it appears you have your VA CC permit, just carry CC in your vehicle and proffer your permit (NC statute 14-415.11(a)).with your DL (NC statute 20-29) and proof of insurance when approached & addressed by LE.

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    after thought, gentle chiding is in order...you know, instead of ' i think, or i guess, or spreading misinformation with comments: "In Chapel Hill I'm pretty sure OC is illegal" (really!!) there is a NC sub forum out there which has members who live and deal w/NC OC/CC every day and who are well versed with the practice and glad to respond to questions about the Tarheel's firearm statutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    always carry. Even when I bum around the house in PJs suffering a hang over I still carry. That's why all my PJs have draw strings
    Even boxers can hold up a light 380
    I hope you at least put the 380 in a zip baggie when you are taking a bath or shower.

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