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    Thrown out of Truckstop of America diner in ABQ on University

    Daughter lives in ABQ about a mile south of TSA. I have a Wisconsin CCL, which New Mexico does NOT honor, thus OC. Stood out front waiting on her, when she arrived we went inside and sat at a booth. Firearm side up against the wall.

    An older guy, the cook I think came over and asked if that was a pistol on my belt. I said yes. He asked if I was a police officer. I said no. (Irrelevant) he said you will have to leave, you are not allowed inside the building. I asked why is that, and he just repeated you are not allowed inside the building. So, we left and went a couple blocks east to the Range? I think.

    I had asked in the store if they sold alcohol, they don't. And they said no problem with a OC firearm.

    Range was full , no parking and long wait. This was Sunday morning about 10 am. We went back to Little Anita's and had the worst breakfast and service I have ever had.

    Went back to the TSA and asked to see the manager. When he came down he looked like he had been sleeping. I offered to shake his hand and when I got a limp wristed, wet dish wash cloth shake in return, I suspected this was not going to go well. I asked about those firearm policy and he said they follow the laws of the state. I told him I had been thrown out of the diner for OC by the guy who I thought was the cook. At that point I wasn't about to eat there any way. Manager said he must have thought I looked like a threat to the other customers. Keep in mind, I had just had a shower, had on a pink long sleeved shirt and clean jeans. I was the most clean cut, best dressed person there, including him. I asked him if I looked like a threat, and he just repeated that the guy must have thought I was. Carriying a Baby Desert Eagle IWB, hand never on firearm and never out of holster. Daughter is a professional at the hospital, and the best looking woman in that place in a long time!

    I said well you are NOT following the laws of the state, since the law says I'm allowed to OC . He said they can refuse service to anyone they want to. I said well I won't be coming back here anymore and I will also be telling this story on the CB radio for the next week or so. He didn't seem to care.

    I didn't get managers name, Hispanic guy about 35 with his left arm in some kind of a cast. Cook was a white guy about 60 or so, pretty tall.

    Thought I did my homework, what did miss? Overall, visit to ABQ pretty unfriendly. I'm a truck driver, I was on my way to LA going that way due to bridge washouts north of Vegas on I-15. Then had a two truck, car collision in California at the 95 north cutoff, what a disaster. Delivering in La Mirada now.
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    We didn't even get out of the car at the Range and I didn't try to carry at Little Anita's cause daughter thought they served drinks, but I didn't see any on the menu. Won't go back here either. Couldn't get more coffee, breakfast came out cold, toast was not served until we were almost done eating, then he gave us the wrong check for $46.00 for the two of us. Guess I will pass on my backup career as a food critic.

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    Safe travels home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post

    Thought I did my homework, what did miss?
    I don't think you missed anything- just had the misfortune to deal with a couple of jerks. Misinformed, anti-gun jerks at that.

    I'm sure you could find plenty of other places to go which would offer good food and service and more accepting of OC. Maybe a recommendation by some in here next time...

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    Something better than truckstop food? Surely you jest.....

    I've eaten somewhere in there that had a Corvette theme, or maybe sports car theme? Might have been the Range. It was night when I was there, I didn't drive and didn't know exactly where I was.

    I-40 across NM is a fine piece of work, if you're on a motocross bike maybe.........

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    uh, could it have been the pink shirt?

    Abq, from my understanding is extremely gun friendly (except for the trigger happy police throughout the state that is) but a lot of the Hispanic/Native locals are not comfortable nor firearm savvy and for some reason, unbeknownst to me, have a strong aversion to seeing them.

    you did due diligence by telling manager so my recommendation would be to ping TSA corp about it see what their response is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    uh, could it have been the pink shirt?

    Abq, from my understanding is extremely gun friendly (except for the trigger happy police throughout the state that is) but a lot of the Hispanic/Native locals are not comfortable nor firearm savvy and for some reason, unbeknownst to me, have a strong aversion to seeing them.

    you did due diligence by telling manager so my recommendation would be to ping TSA corp about it see what their response is..

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    Yeah, daughter says I can rock the pink shirt when I am OC. I'm a reasonably fit 56 year old guy. 6'2 225# I walk 9 miles a day every other week when I am home, and I try to look as much UNLIKE a truck driver as I possibly can. I had thought about contacting corporate TSA but had not decided yet but you're kinda pushing me over the edge to do it. I highly doubt anyone there thought I was a driver, tho I don't think that would have made a difference. Anyone wanting to be able to go to work in their pajamas should definitely look into becoming a truck driver. You don't even need to speak English or know how to shift gears anymore. Any moron can do it, and there are plenty that are!

    Shirt has thin blue stripes in it BTW, but 99.99 percent pink. Got it at Goodwill looks like it was never worn, I can't imagine why?
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    uh, i must be a moron...my singular attempt at driving w/trailer, i was asked to immediately stop and quickly step away from the cab by the individual who assured me it was a piece of cake...i do believe he wet himself as i demonstrated my expert driving capability...and it wasn't my fault the brake took two feet to depress, and i didn't actually go 'toooooo far' off the side of the road, and i certainly didn't even begin to go to far up the earth berm on the side of the road. true story!

    i was just glad he gave me a ride back to my vehicle... took him a couple of weeks to acknowledge my existence and it was only after several beers.

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    Just talked to a real nice lady at customer service at TA in Westlake, OH. She admitted that she did not know anything about firearm laws, nor would I expect her to know about New Mexico firearm laws. She typed up a report and said it would get to upper management and someone would contact me. So, we'll see, and I will post up if I find out anything.

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    No call back from TSA as of now. Well past the 48 hour threshold and no holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
    No call back from TSA as of now. Well past the 48 hour threshold and no holding my breath.
    I'm glad to see someone else with a Baby Eagle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    I'm glad to see someone else with a Baby Eagle.
    It's my truck gun, by default. It's the midsized polymer frame 9. Bought it for wife as her first semi, but the safety was too much to keep track of, as well as her hands are too small for the finger grooves, 3 and 4 tend to be on top of the ridge instead of in the groove. Coming from a Ruger SP101. She ended up with a Sig. 229 which is what I wanted her to like, but I got an extra gun out of the deal. Two complaints, DA trigger is way too long, SA trigger is pretty light. Cheaper and if it gets beat up in the truck, it won't bother me too much.

    I don't open carry much out of my home state. This was my first really negative experience. At home I open carry a Sig 226 .40 but I just bought a 226 9mm SAO that will be there when I get home. If I ever get home.....should be home this evening late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
    It's my truck gun, by default. It's the midsized polymer frame 9. Bought it for wife as her first semi, but the safety was too much to keep track of, as well as her hands are too small for the finger grooves, 3 and 4 tend to be on top of the ridge instead of in the groove. Coming from a Ruger SP101. She ended up with a Sig. 229 which is what I wanted her to like, but I got an extra gun out of the deal. Two complaints, DA trigger is way too long, SA trigger is pretty light. Cheaper and if it gets beat up in the truck, it won't bother me too much.

    I don't open carry much out of my home state. This was my first really negative experience. At home I open carry a Sig 226 .40 but I just bought a 226 9mm SAO that will be there when I get home. If I ever get home.....should be home this evening late.
    I have the steel semi-compact .45 and love it, for the money I don't think you can do much better.

    I agree about the trigger, but once I got used to it I don't notice at all.

    I don't know if I would CC it (she is heavy), but in my F.I.S.T. leather OWB holster, I almost forget it's there.
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    The BDE is the only polymer gun I own. For some reason, I really like it. Maybe cause I started out on a 92F? The grooves fit my fingers perfectly. Not the most friendly firearm for finding holsters and such. It is WAY lighter than anything steel, but actually still has a nice heft to it.

    I just got onto MultiHolsters and had them make a "Hipster" for my wife for her 229 with a laser. As soon as it arrived I ordered one for my 226. They say they will make a holster for any gun/light/laser combo so I'm sure they can do a BDE with no problem. Stuff is out there , you just have to look a little. That is an OWB holster but they make 8-10 different kinds. I have no attachment to the company other than they have some of my money!

    I'm beginning to think it is true that you end up with a drawer full of holsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
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    I'm beginning to think it is true that you end up with a drawer full of holsters.
    I have found that this is a true statement.
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    do not go there, as i have to justify everytime i want to spend $$$ on yet another holster...sigh!!

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    "got a gun"?

    "No" (a lie...who cares)

    Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    "got a gun"?

    "No" (a lie...who cares)

    Problem solved.
    Sure- IF you're CC'ing. Which the OP was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH.74 View Post
    Sure- IF you're CC'ing. Which the OP was not.
    The guy asked him if he had a gun ... could have just said no. Guy did not say, at that time, that guns were not allowed, get out.

    He did not have to answer his question nor answer it honestly. It could be a cig lighter for all the guy knew.

    And what if he answered "are you a cop" with YES? Its not impersonation .. now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post

    Thought I did my homework, what did miss?
    The first thing you missed was finding out just exactly who you were dealing with, and if he had any authority. If "some guy, the cook I think" tells me anything other that my food will be right out, I'm not very interested in his opinion about what is or isn't allowed.

    Good report, and good job going back to speak to the manager, and following up with corporate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    The guy asked him if he had a gun ... could have just said no. Guy did not say, at that time, that guns were not allowed, get out.

    He did not have to answer his question nor answer it honestly. It could be a cig lighter for all the guy knew.
    He stated right up front that he was OC, and standing outside the front of the place.

    He walked into the place, through the place and to the table where they sat. It is not unreasonable to consider that during all that time, the pistol on the belt was seen for what it was. Lying and giving a false statement, no matter to whom, is not the right thing to do under those circumstances.

    The world did not end because he told the truth and complied with their requests. It was the right thing to do- again, under those circumstances. I would rather be told a story of a fellow OC'er telling the truth and doing the right thing as opposed to lying and possibly bringing about a more contentious situation upon himself.

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    In hindsight, I would have handled this a little differently. I have been OC for almost two years and in that time I have never been asked to leave a place, or been thrown out. Technically, in this circumstance I was "told to leave". I go through my life doing my best not to lie to anyone, and I don't plan to start just because I am carrying a firearm. I had been in there about two hours earlier for coffee, with no issues. My daughter was running late, so I went back to my truck, then came back up front to wait for her outside. She had mentioned about going to the Range, and that was our plan at this point. While I was waiting up front I got to talking to two other truck drivers and had a nice conversation with them. During this time, my back was to the window of the counter and booth area, and anyone in there could have easily seen I has carrying a firearm.

    My daughter showed up late, I was on a time constraint due to my logs, and she said let's just eat here instead of going and me bringing you back. So, we walked inside, no more than got seated, and this "some guy. maybe the cook" came over and started asking me questions. I had no doubt that he KNEW I had a firearm. At that point, I didn't really care if the SUPREME COURT told him he had to make me breakfast, I wasn't about to eat anything that he prepared. So, we got up and went somewhere else.

    When I came back and got dropped off I went to the fuel desk without my firearm, and asked for the manager. He came down and I asked him if they had a firearm policy and he said 'they follow the laws of the state of New Mexico". I said I got thrown out of the restaurant earlier for OC a firearm, and that is when he said 'maybe he felt like you were a threat to his customers". I looked at him, with kind of a quizzical look and said "Do I look like a threat?" and he replied "Maybe he thought you did". As I described earlier, I was clean, neat, well dressed and not a threat to anyone in any possible way. I had never touched the firearm, nor did it ever come out of the holster the entire time.


    At that point, what I wished I had done was to say to him let's go down to the restaurant and talk to the guy now. It was only 100 feet away or so. He was only speculating what the cook was thinking, unless this has happened before, or they have talked about this before. I should have made him tell me why he made me leave, in front of his manager, and at that point, I believe, the manager should have told him that I had every right to be in there with an OC firearm. I didn't do that, so I kinda dropped the ball there I suppose. I will admit I was caught a little off guard, and taken aback. In my research, some on this site, N. Mexico is shown as a Gold Star open carry state, although I would assume that Albuquerque or any larger city might be less so, so maybe I had let my guard down a bit? My daughter was just talking about the Albuquerque Police and how they kind of like to shoot first, and ask questions later. Honestly, I just wanted to have breakfast with my daughter and be on my way to LA.

    As of right now, I have not heard back from TSA management, I'm not really surprised. In talking with some other drivers who listen to Road Dog radio on XM it appears that this is not too uncommon in TSAs around the country. I'm thinking about calling them back and inquiring as to why the never got back to me on my complaint. The have my phone number, but not my address and I have not missed any calls from them.

    As far as the replies on here, I appreciate all responses. I admit I might have handled it differently that I did. When I OC I am even more polite and friendly than normal, even if people don't realize I have a firearm. I'n not really looking to stick it in anyone's face or have a confrontation, especially 1500 miles from home. Maybe I dropped there ball there. I am home at this time with no further ramifications on my part. That guy, whoever he was, probably does now figure he has one up on gun owners, might feel empowered, and I let that one get away on me. That's my bad I suppose. So, that's a little more detailed response on why I did what I did, right or wrong.

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    I have not exhausted all resources, but it appears that one of the few ways I can get a concealed carry license for New Mexico would be to get a Nevada permit.

    New Mexico does not honor the Wisconsin license, nor do they issue to non-residents,
    They also do not accept the Utah permit. Almost everyone around them accepts Utah, but not N.Mexico.
    A Nevada permit requires going to Nevada to get it, it is not like a Utah permit that you can get the training for in Wisconsin, for example.

    I do travel through Nevada every other week, so that is a possibility. I'm not opposed to CC in any way, I generally CC in the winter when I wear a coat and in the summer when it is warmer. I always tuck in my shirt, I don't even own a sweatshirt or a t shirt. Basically, I have decided not to change the way I dress for the sake of carrying a firearm. Right or wrong, the decision I've made up to this point. I do have some holsters that are tuckable, but in my opinion the true concealment of them is less than desirable, and anyone with half a brain in their head could tell that you have something under there. I do that at church every Sunday and once in a while I will have someone ask me what I'm carrying. Because we are a no permit open carry state, if someone can see you printing or such, it's not too big of a deal usually.

    All in all it appears that N. Mexico does not really want anyone carrying firearms in their state other than residents, plus they have some funky laws to boot regarding alcohol, Indian Reservations and such.

    In Wisconsin we can carry into any restaurant that serves alcohol as long as you aren't drinking. Open carry is fine, some question about open carry into a bar, but almost everything that is not fast food serves alcohol around here. You would more than likely be asked to leave if you were sitting at a bar, but I have never been asked to leave a supper club, I've been there with other people that are drinking, but I wasn't.

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    "All in all it appears that N. Mexico does not really want anyone carrying firearms in their state other than residents, plus they have some funky laws to boot regarding alcohol, Indian Reservations and such." -- Wstar425


    I'm not aware of any such view (real or imagined) on NM's part re: non-residents OCing. Besides, how can they tell you're from another state? Like most states, they probably can't even tell who is an American citizen anymore (but you can pretty much spot illegals, but nothing is done about them, in NM or other states, either). :-(

    I regularly OC (and ONLY OC) in NM when I visit, and although I've been to the state many times and know it pretty well (Central and Eastern NM mostly), have never actually lived there -- lived in TX and now CO. So when I (still) go to NM, I don't know how they could tell I was from TX or CO...unless (of course) I was stopped while driving my car with "foreign" license plates on it.

    Yet also, I don't go to the places you do go -- such as truck stops (TSA or other) -- nor do I go to Indian reservations (in the ABQ area, that usually means for their CASINOS: Not interested in gambling), and have zero interest in bars/drinking as well. Still, in the many places I HAVE gone to while OCing, never once was there any issue, nor have I ever been asked to leave.

    So don't write-off NM yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
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    That guy, whoever he was, probably does now figure he has one up on gun owners, might feel empowered,....
    Until he meets another OCer who has time on his hands for the next encounter he has .... it always amazes me that people who the goofs think are a threat will walk right up to the "threat" and aggravate them.

    Perhaps next time say "If you thought I was a threat, then why did you come over to bother me? Aren't you afraid I'll blow off your head?"

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