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~ 250 million non-military personnel were killed by governments last century

WalkingWolf

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So self-control has no place in debates?

When presented with the temptation to ridicule someone deemed eccentric, people should lose all self-control and stop focusing on the ideas, and start ridiculing the opponent whom they deem eccentric?

You should look in the mirror while saying that...
 

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Ok, I'll bite. Should we compare the amount of deaths in anarchy over the last 100 years as compared to government killings in the usa?

Let's so how that Stat matches up.

Don't get me wrong, I believe government has its issues, but it's gonna take more than one non-peer reviewed, non ethics board approved research review to convince me that rule of law in the us is more dangerous than complete anarchy.
There is a social system on any place on the planet where there is more than one person. And in social animals it is no different. Limited government is better than chaos, but we no longer have limited government. If there is a place with no government, no warlords, just the Garden of Eden I will donate to send the fruitcakes there.
 

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If you don't like my style, then that's your problem. Keep worshiping the constitution that got us into this mess.

Actually, it's your problem, if you care a whit for persuasion.

If you do not, then it lends credence to others' assumptions about your status as an agent provocateur.
 
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Ok, I'll bite. Should we compare the amount of deaths in anarchy over the last 100 years as compared to government killings in the usa?

Let's so how that Stat matches up.

Don't get me wrong, I believe government has its issues, but it's gonna take more than one non-peer reviewed, non ethics board approved research review to convince me that rule of law in the us is more dangerous than complete anarchy.

So you think that more than a quarter billion people have been killed because of statelessness in the twentieth century? :eek:
 

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Actually, it's your problem, if you care a whit for persuasion.

If you do not, then it lends credence to others' assumptions about your status as an agent provocateur.

So I should cater to irrational people who think that an idea is incorrect if one of the people promoting said idea is deemed eccentric by them?
 

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That's just it. My behavior is totally irrelevant. If you disagree with my position(s), then how I behave does not enter into the equation at all. You should argue my ideas on their own merits.

Your ideas is every man and woman for themselves, complete insanity. But there are a few places in the world that are like that. The US gov you hate so much will not stop you from going there.
 

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Your ideas is every man and woman for themselves, complete insanity. But there are a few places in the world that are like that. The US gov you hate so much will not stop you from going there.

That's not what anarchy means.

It really is absurd that the hypothetical chaos and mayhem of statelessness is deemed to be worse than the actual chaos and mayhem of statism (among other things, in the form of hundreds of millions of butchered innocents, but hey, that doesn't mean anything when you can smugly hand-wave it away).
 

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That's not what anarchy means.

It really is absurd that the hypothetical chaos and mayhem of statelessness is deemed to be worse than the actual chaos and mayhem of statism (among other things, in the form of hundreds of millions of butchered innocents, but hey, that doesn't mean anything when you can smugly hand-wave it away).

That is what no rules means, which you have not indicated anything less than no rules.
 
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Please tell us then what rules you find acceptable, and the rules that you "think" the members of this board advocate? This is your chance to redeem yourself...

(1) non-aggression principle

(2) self-ownership

(3) Lockean homesteading

(4) contracts should be honored

I can't comment on what others think.
 
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(1) non-aggression principle

(2) self-ownership

(3) Lockean homesteading

(4) contracts should be honored

I can't comment on what others think.

Self ownership means I can do as I please, including breaking contracts, or taking lives when it suits me. The only way those will work is if you are a dictator, and you don't have the charisma for it.

How would you accomplish this, who would enforce it?
 
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Self ownership means I can do as I please, including breaking contracts, or taking lives when it suits me. The only way those will work is if you are a dictator, and you don't have the charisma for it.

How would you accomplish this, who would enforce it?

Self-ownership does not allow for fraud or other aggression.
 
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