OC in PFLs

Redneck125 · Sep 16, 2014

OC in PFZs

Since receiving my CPL a few months ago I've continued to OC like I have been for three years, except now I'm never without a pistol. Friday, I will be attending my brothers senior Homecoming football game. I know the law (MCL 28.4250 and MCL 750.237a) reads that in order to carry in a "criminal encoragement zone" you must be a CPL holder and be open carrying. I'm not asking about the laws. Instead, having yet to carry in a PFZ, I was wondering what experiences you all have had. Especially at schools or school sporting events.

Edit: In the title of the thread I meant PFZs not PFLs.

Raggs · Sep 16, 2014

Carried at daughters soccer game. Principal and AD approached me and long story short said they would stop the game if I did not put my pistol in my vehicle. Later had a meeting with the Kelloggsville superintendent and some administrators and things just got worse.

Redneck125 · Sep 16, 2014

That's the type of situation I don't want to happen. You would think that they would have to accept that you're not breaking any laws and because it's legal let you be, especially if it's a public school.

davidmcbeth · Sep 16, 2014

Raggs said:
Carried at daughters soccer game. Principal and AD approached me and long story short said they would stop the game if I did not put my pistol in my vehicle. Later had a meeting with the Kelloggsville superintendent and some administrators and things just got worse.

Should have asked where can you park your vehicle, on the field?

I would not have moved an inch. Let them stop the game. And tell them that if they don't quit bothering you then you'll be a superfan and not miss any games.

Redneck125 · Sep 17, 2014

davidmcbeth said:
Should have asked where can you park your vehicle, on the field?

I would not have moved an inch. Let them stop the game. And tell them that if they don't quit bothering you then you'll be a superfan and not miss any games.

Exactly my thinking. You did no wrong so what's the big deal. Although if they stop the game you might not be liked so well by the rest of the parents. But I agree with davidmcbeth, always stand your ground.

FreeInAZ · Sep 17, 2014

Raggs said:
Carried at daughters soccer game. Principal and AD approached me and long story short said they would stop the game if I did not put my pistol in my vehicle. Later had a meeting with the Kelloggsville superintendent and some administrators and things just got worse.

What a great example this sets for the "children" schools say they are so worried about. Don't like the law, no problem, just make up BS policy, threaten and bully innocent people to enforce it, if that does not work, punish innocent people until they do what you want! A kindergarten kid would be kicked out of school for acting the way the school leaders are!

Talk about hypocrites!

OC4me · Sep 17, 2014

Redneck125 said:
Exactly my thinking. You did no wrong so what's the big deal. Although if they stop the game you might not be liked so well by the rest of the parents. But I agree with davidmcbeth, always stand your ground.

If that happened, I'd explore bringing a libel case against the school (in addition to a civil rights lawsuit). Just another legal avenue. Cancelling games solely due to your presence would clearly be an effort to ostracize you, an intentional attempt to bring about irreparable harm to your reputation.

Has anyone had a lawyer draft a legal response (that you'd be willing to share) to any school district (i.e. warning that a civil rights lawsuit and/or libel case would be forthcoming)? Such a letter would be a great sticky.

Redneck125 · Sep 17, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
What a great example this sets for the "children" schools say they are so worried about. Don't like the law, no problem, just make up BS policy, threaten and bully innocent people to enforce it, if that does not work, punish innocent people until they do what you want!

Good point. Just one of the many issues with our "advanced" education system. Pushing opinionated views and beliefs on young kids.

OC4me said:
Has anyone had a lawyer draft a legal response (that you'd be willing to share) to any school district (i.e. warning that a civil rights lawsuit and/or libel case would be forthcoming)? Such a letter would be a great sticky.

I agree. I'd be very interested in reading that. And it would be really nice to have one as a sticky to refer to or even use if needed.

Redneck125 · Sep 19, 2014

Tonight's the game. Got new batteries in my audio recorder and my video recorder is ready to go. I'll post later on how it goes.

Redneck125 · Sep 20, 2014

Well I'm happy to say I have a very uneventful evening at the game. I walked to my seat, watched the game and walked out with no problems. But I'd be surprised if anyone besides the few who know me, actually noticed I was carrying. But that's also they way I expect it to be.

rightwinglibertarian · Sep 20, 2014

Raggs said:
Carried at daughters soccer game. Principal and AD approached me and long story short said they would stop the game if I did not put my pistol in my vehicle. Later had a meeting with the Kelloggsville superintendent and some administrators and things just got worse.

davidmcbeth said:
I would not have moved an inch. Let them stop the game. And tell them that if they don't quit bothering you then you'll be a superfan and not miss any games.

Quite right. Of all the childish, infantile responses. Stop the game indeed. What did the the (mis) administrators say?

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