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    Obama ATF forcing gun buyers to declare race, ethnicity. New 4473

    With little fanfare, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in 2012 amended its Form 4473 — the transactional record the government requires gun purchasers and sellers to fill out when buying a firearm — to identify buyers as either Hispanic, Latino or not. Then a buyer must check his or her race: Indian, Asian, black, Pacific Islander or white.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ers-to-declar/
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    Gov't forms can ASK for anything .. that does not mean its mandatory to answer them.

    https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf new form


    http://imgur.com/a/iLqcZ comparison of old v new
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    If I remember correctly, one of the forms I filled out told me to choose which race was mine (then listed races), and also asked specifically whether or not I was Hispanic. They were 2 separate questions. Am I remembering this correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Gov't forms can ASK for anything .. that does not mean its mandatory to answer them.
    Exactly. Be free! Ignore the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    If I remember correctly, one of the forms I filled out told me to choose which race was mine (then listed races), and also asked specifically whether or not I was Hispanic. They were 2 separate questions. Am I remembering this correctly?
    Yes. The first questions is for Ethnicity, which is the question your talking about. The second is for Race, which I always found funny as we're all human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    Yes. The first questions is for Ethnicity, which is the question your talking about. The second is for Race, which I always found funny as we're all human.
    I always thought "race" was to indicate what race you were best at .. sack race, egg race, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I always thought "race" was to indicate what race you were best at .. sack race, egg race, etc.
    Uhh, no. It's the race that begins with "All men are created equal," dependent and stupid. From there we race to the top.
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    Geez, they might as well ask for a persons SSN!

    Oh, wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0neZ View Post
    Geez, they might as well ask for a persons SSN!

    Oh, wait...
    You're not required to provide your SSN, but I don't know what other questions may not be mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    You're not required to provide your SSN, but I don't know what other questions may not be mandatory.
    I already knew that providing an SSN wasn't mandatory, hence the, "Oh, wait..."

    Apologies for the lack of snark translation via written word. Not your fault; purely on me for trying to communicate while on only my first cup of coffee for the morning.

    Like you, I too am not sure which other questions are mandatory.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Uhh, no. It's the race that begins with "All men are created equal," dependent and stupid. From there we race to the top.
    Well,,, NO!!! that is not it...

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