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    Exclamation DETROIT - OC Marchers get police escort for 3 Miles! Huh???

    In a city where often, life & death 911 calls go unanswered...the DPS ties up scarce cars & officers to follow lawful OCers?

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...-+MLive.com%29

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    "DETROIT, MI -- They didn't need signs or catchy chants. Their message was conveyed by the rifles slung over their shoulders and the handguns holstered to their hips.

    Organized by open-carry activist organization Hell's Saints, about 20 men and women toting guns walked south from the Family Dollar parking lot at 9737 Mound in Detroit to the Detroit Police Department Northeast Precinct.

    The purpose was two-fold, to educate the public about open-carry rights and to protest the Sept. 13 arrest of Elijah Woody, 24, of Detroit.

    Elijah Woody, who claims he was legally open-carrying his handgun when Detroit police arrested him, is charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license, a felony punishable by up to five years in prison."

    So let me get this straight - they arrest him for a concealed weapon that they could plainly see all but the very top of as they say, because his sweater obstructed a 100% of the handle? Charge him with a 5 year FELONY??? That's Detroit for you, make a citizen with no record into a felon, while the violent felons run wild in the streets.

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    What was the real agenda?

    This makes you wonder what the real agenda of the police was in performing the arrest. Did the citizen somehow tick them off? Or had they just had it with too many OC demonstrations?

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    What is (or, is there a?) the definition of concealed in MI?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    On another forum, a member posted these screen shots from a video posted on FB. They appear to show the gentleman in question with his handgun concealed. If this is the case then he would seem to be in violation of the law. While I have seen it reported that the gentleman does possess a CC permit in another state it was also stated that there is no reprocity between that state and MI.





    It could be that the gentleman is wearing is gun at around a 5 o'clock position and that in the forward facing photo his arm is simply obscuring his holster and firearm. If that is the case then I would say the gentleman was legal. If it is not the case and the gentleman allowed his shirt to cover his firearm, then he has a problem
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    ...tuck your shirt in, this mitigates any misunderstandings.
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    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    On another forum, a member posted these screen shots from a video posted on FB. They appear to show the gentleman in question with his handgun concealed. If this is the case then he would seem to be in violation of the law. While I have seen it reported that the gentleman does possess a CC permit in another state it was also stated that there is no reprocity between that state and MI.





    It could be that the gentleman is wearing is gun at around a 5 o'clock position and that in the forward facing photo his arm is simply obscuring his holster and firearm. If that is the case then I would say the gentleman was legal. If it is not the case and the gentleman allowed his shirt to cover his firearm, then he has a problem
    They indicated that both of those specific photos are of the Detroit OC walk on which he was arrested? The one on the bottom appears to be a cut-out of him from a group picture that is the cover photo on their Facebook group. I see no indication on the photo itself that it was taken the day of, or on the walk on which he was arrested.

    Actually, the Facebook post announcing the arrest was posted on the 15th and says that the arrest took place the past weekend (13th-14th) and it looks like the photo in question was uploaded at least as far back as the 9th.

    What is this other forum?
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    Most likely the CCers are great / OCers are evil forum! With pics supplied by mad mommies who photoshop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterNSteinmetz View Post
    This makes you wonder what the real agenda of the police was in performing the arrest. Did the citizen somehow tick them off? Or had they just had it with too many OC demonstrations?
    So what on both counts :P LEOs meet annoying people every day. This does not constitute a valid reason for an arrrest. As for the latter, considering the state Detroit is in and I believe the Sheriff in support of OC saying OCers are needed makes this arrest is all the more puzzling

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    They indicated that both of those specific photos are of the Detroit OC walk on which he was arrested? The one on the bottom appears to be a cut-out of him from a group picture that is the cover photo on their Facebook group. I see no indication on the photo itself that it was taken the day of, or on the walk on which he was arrested.

    Actually, the Facebook post announcing the arrest was posted on the 15th and says that the arrest took place the past weekend (13th-14th) and it looks like the photo in question was uploaded at least as far back as the 9th.

    What is this other forum?
    Looks to me then like then picture was falsified and calls into question the legality of the arrest
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    On another forum, a member posted these screen shots from a video posted on FB. They appear to show the gentleman in question with his handgun concealed. If this is the case then he would seem to be in violation of the law.

    It could be that the gentleman is wearing is gun at around a 5 o'clock position and that in the forward facing photo his arm is simply obscuring his holster and firearm. If that is the case then I would say the gentleman was legal. If it is not the case and the gentleman allowed his shirt to cover his firearm, then he has a problem
    I wear a denim vest quite a bit when I ride my motorcycle. The vest is a tad (tad=2.78 inches)longer than my belt so it bunches a bit on occasion. If observed from the front, it appears as tho I am unarmed. From behind that big a$$ Ruger is obvious. Pics are poor evaluations of reality at times.
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    Methinks the photo is at the one angle that implies he is CC (assuming the MAD Moms decided to be somewhat honest and not touch-up the photo), and it doesn't help that the man is wearing dark-ish clothing with a dark-ish gun (less contrast).

    Ask anyone who's met me at an OC lunch or at an AzCDL event and they'll tell you I always have my shirt tucked in. Even then, my full-size STAINLESS 1911 in a black OWB holster sometimes just isn't easy to spot at certain angles. I've also discovered that dark jeans or dark shirts make for a much easier "concealed in plain sight" carry, and have therefore decided to wear only light colors while OC (because we can't help desensitize passerby if our carry isn't seen, IMO).

    Also, it wouldn't be the first (or second, or third,...) time MAD Moms have taken and posted dishonest photos to further their agenda. Funny how only the "gun" side uses truth and facts to fight for Freedom, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    They indicated that both of those specific photos are of the Detroit OC walk on which he was arrested? The one on the bottom appears to be a cut-out of him from a group picture that is the cover photo on their Facebook group. I see no indication on the photo itself that it was taken the day of, or on the walk on which he was arrested.

    Actually, the Facebook post announcing the arrest was posted on the 15th and says that the arrest took place the past weekend (13th-14th) and it looks like the photo in question was uploaded at least as far back as the 9th.

    What is this other forum?
    The other Forum is the 1911forum.com.


    http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=468314

    They are now posting that the photos are in fact from a different day. Here is a link to a story with additional details, including an officer saying Mr. Woody's coat obscured the pistol.


    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...elated_stories
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    DETROIT - OC Marchers get police escort for 3 Miles! Huh???

    They are bringing at best thin charges - if his coat obstructed the top of the pistol handle, they trained experts did not know it was a Oc pistol? Yet they immediately went to him and took it from him? 2+2 = -13289655353 by DPD math! It is clear this is payback for Hell's Saints being a pain in DPD's arses over the last few months.
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    Oh by the way his "coat" as the report described, was a sweater! They can't tell the difference in clothing.. No I think not? Words are a powerful tool in painting images in your readers mind. Much easier to believe a "coat" covered a pistol, than a tiny bulge in a sweater resting on top of a pistol handle. This whole event is "fishy" and does not pass the smell test.
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    When doing this type of protest, unfortunately, one will often receive hassles from the police over trivial items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterNSteinmetz View Post
    When doing this type of protest, unfortunately, one will often receive hassles from the police over trivial items.
    Truth.

    Its why so many don't. They have well founded fears of repercussion by their servants for pointing out the bad things their servants are doing.


    The local yokels harrassed me for a year after I went through an illegal arrest and decided to push the issue.

    An officer decided to do an extended background check and make it part of public records after his illegal actions were stymied and then refuted by another OCer here in town. MSG gave them hell for that.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    "Elijah Woody, who claims he was legally open-carrying his handgun when Detroit police arrested him, is charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license, a felony punishable by up to five years in prison."
    If it was concealed, as the lying Detroit cops claim, how would they know he was carrying???

    I absolutely detest liars, particularly liars imbued with a public trust, not to mention our tax dollars.

    Is their police chief elected? Vote him out for failing to police his own. How about the town council? Do the same.

    Those in a position of a public trust who violate that trust may never get the message until their livelihoods are at stake, if not yanked. Get rid of them!

    "As the group converged at Family Dollar prior to the march, bowls of chili were passed out from the rear of a yellow pickup."

    I'm surprised the Detroit PD didn't arrest them operating a restaurant without a license...
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