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    'Badass' Moms Take Gun Fight To NRA's Home Turf

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5863346.html


    This article talks about some of the heat our legislators took for our over ride veto

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    They do not understand what 2nd amendment supporters are willing to do to ensure our rights are protected.

    Funny how she paints gun owners as the minority. Maybe she doesn't know that in many states, there are more legally owned guns per capita than..... moms.

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    I found it even more disturbing that she worked for Monsanto who is killing far more people with GMO's in the food than guns will kill!

    Watts, who had held high-profile positions at the agribusiness giant Monsanto and elsewhere, has proved a natural at serving both as a spokeswoman for the gun control movement, and its effective CEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegadez View Post
    I found it even more disturbing that she worked for Monsanto who is killing far more people with GMO's in the food than guns will kill!

    Watts, who had held high-profile positions at the agribusiness giant Monsanto and elsewhere, has proved a natural at serving both as a spokeswoman for the gun control movement, and its effective CEO.
    Really? Cite please.(not that she worked there, but show that GMO's are dangerous)
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    Ill let you feed your hunger knowledge on this and there's also some research links to provided sources please feel to let me know if you believe my research is incorrect as I have been studying the effects of GMO food and also preservatives effects in relationship to diabetes as I am a type 1 diabetic thanks RenZ

    Are GMOs safe?
    Most developed nations do not consider GMOs to be safe. In more than 60 countries around the world, including Australia, Japan, and all of the countries in the European Union, there are significant restrictions or outright bans on the production and sale of GMOs. In the U.S., the government has approved GMOs based on studies conducted by the same corporations that created them and profit from their sale. Increasingly, Americans are taking matters into their own hands and choosing to opt out of the GMO experiment.

    Over the past few years, a number of countries have completely banned GMOs and the pesticides that go along with them, and they are doing so for a reason. The latest country to consider a complete ban is Russia after top government scientists recommended at least a 10 year ban.

    The truth is, we don’t know enough about GMOs to deem them safe for human consumption. Believe it or not the very first commercial sale of them was only twenty years ago. There is no possible way that our health authorities can test all possible combinations on a large enough population, over a long enough period of time to be able to say with absolute certainty that they are harmless.

    There are a multitude of credible scientific studies that clearly demonstrate why GMOs should not be consumed, and more are emerging every year. There are also a number of scientists all around the world that oppose them.

    By slipping it into our food without our knowledge, without any indication that there are genetically modified organisms in our food, we are now unwittingly part of a massive experiment.The FDA has said that genetically modified organisms are not much different from regular food, so they’ll be treated in the same way. The problem is this, geneticists follow the inheritance of genes, what biotechnology allows us to do is to take this organism, and move it horizontally into a totally unrelated species. Now David Suzuki doesn’t normally mate with a carrot and exchange genes, what biotechnology allows us to do is to switch genes from one to the other without regard to the biological constraints. It’s very very bad science, we assume that the principals governing the inheritance of genes vertically, applies when you move genes laterally or horizontally. There’s absolutely no reason to make that conclusion – Geneticist David Suzuki

    If anybody ever tells you that we know with one hundred percent certainty that GMOs are totally safe to eat, they haven’t done their research. There is no reason GM foods should be approved safe for consumption, we just don’t know enough about them. We could easily feed the planet through organic, GMO free methods, there is absolutely no reason we need GM foods around.

    Below I’ve presented just a bit of information to get you started on your research if you’re interested.

    1. Multiple Toxins From GMOs Detected In Maternal and Fetal Blood

    Research from Canada (the first of its kind) has successfully identified the presence of pesticides -associated with genetically modified foods in maternal, fetal and non-pregnant women’s blood. They also found the presence of Monsanto’s Bt toxin. The study was published in the Journal Reproductive Toxicology in 2011.(1) You can read the FULL study here.

    “Given the potential toxicity of these environmental pollutants and the fragility of the fetus, more studies are needed, particularly those using the placental transfer approach. Thus, our present results will provide baseline data for future studies exploring a new area of research relating to nutrition, toxicology and reproduction in women. Today, obstetric-gynecological disorders that are associated with environmental chemicals are not known. Thus, knowing the actual concentration of genetically modified foods in humans constitutes a cornerstone in the advancement of research in this area.” (1)

    The study used blood samples from thirty pregnant women and thirty non-pregnant women. The study also pointed out that the fetus is considered to be highly susceptible to the adverse affects of xenobiotics (foreign chemical substance found within an organism that is not naturally produced.) This is why the study emphasizes that knowing more about GMOs is crucial, because environmental agents could disrupt the biological events that are required to ensure normal growth and development.

    2. DNA From Genetically Modified Crops Can Be Transferred Into Humans Who Eat Them

    In a new study published in the peer reviewed Public Library of Science (PLOS), researchersemphasize that there is sufficient evidence that meal-derived DNA fragments carry complete genes that can enter into the human circulation system through an unknown mechanism.(2)

    In one of the blood samples the relative concentration of plant DNA is higher than the human DNA. The study was based on the analysis of over 1000 human samples from four independent studies. PLOS is an open access, well respected peer-reviewed scientific journal that covers primary research from disciplines within science and medicine. It’s great to see this study published in it, confirming what many have been suspected for years.

    “Our bloodstream is considered to be an environment well separated from the outside world and the digestive tract. According to the standard paradigm large macromolecules consumed with food cannot pass directly to the circulatory system. During digestion proteins and DNA are thought to be degraded into small constituents, amino acids and nucleic acids, respectively, and then absorbed by a complex active process and distributed to various parts of the body through the circulation system. Here, based on the analysis of over 1000 human samples from four independent studies, we report evidence that meal-derived DNA fragments which are large enough to carry complete genes can avoid degradation and through an unknown mechanism enter the human circulation system. In one of the blood samples the relative concentration of plant DNA is higher than the human DNA. The plant DNA concentration shows a surprisingly precise log-normal distribution in the plasma samples while non-plasma (cord blood) control sample was found to be free of plant DNA.” (2)

    This still doesn’t mean that GMOs can enter into our cells, but given the fact GMOs have been linked to cancer (later in this article) it is safe to assume it is indeed a possibility. The bottom line is that we don’t know, and this study demonstrates another cause for concern.

    3. New Study Links GMOs To Gluten Disorders That Affect 18 Million Americans

    This study was recently released by the Institute for Responsible Technology (IRT), and uses data from the US department of Agriculture, US Environmental Protection Agency, medical journal reviews as well as other independent research. (3)(4) The authors relate GM foods to five conditions that may either trigger or exacerbate gluten-related disorders, including the autoimmune disorder, Celiac Disease:

    Intestinal permeability
    Imbalanced gut bacteria
    Immune activation and allergic response
    Impaired digestion
    Damage to the intestinal wall

    The Institute for Responsible technology is a world leader in educating policy makers and the public about GMO foods and crops. The institute reports and investigates on the impact GM foods can have on health, environment, agriculture and more.

    4. Study Links Genetically Modified Corn to Rat Tumors

    In November 2012, The Journal of Food and Chemical Toxicology published a paper titled ‘Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize’ by Gilles-Eric Seralini and his team of researchers at France’s Caen University. (5)

    It was a very significant study, which obviously looks bad for the big bio tech companies like Monsanto, being the first and only long term study under controlled conditions examining the possible effects of a diet of GMO maize treated with Monsanto roundup herbicide.

    This study has since been retracted, which is odd, because the journal it was published in is a very well known, reputable peer reviewed scientific journal. In order for a study to be published here it has to go through a rigorous review process.

    It’s also important to note that hundreds of scientists from around the world have condemned the retraction of the study. This study was done by experts, and a correlation between GMOs and these tumors can’t be denied, something happened.

    The multiple criticisms of the study have also been answered by the team of researchers that conducted the study. You can read them and find out more about the study here.

    GM Crop Production is Lowering US Yields and Increasing Pesticide Use

    5. Glyphosate Induces Human Breast Cancer Cells Growth via Estrogen Receptors

    A study is published in the US National Library of Medicine (4) and will soon be published in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology. Several recent studies showed glyphosate’s potential to be an endocrine disruptor. Endocrine disruptors are chemicals that can interfere with the hormone system in mammals. These disruptors can cause developmental disorders, birth defects and cancer tumors. (6)

    Glyphosate exerted proliferative effects only in human hormone-dependent breast cancer. We found that glyphosate exhibited a weaker estrogenic activity than estradiol. Furthermore, this study demonstrated the additive estrogenic effects of glyphosate and genisein which implied that the use of contaminated soybean products as dietary supplements may pose a risk of breast cancer because of their potential additive estrogenicity. (6)

    Researchers also determined that Monsanto’s roundup is considered an “xenoestrogen,” which is a foreign estrogen that mimics real estrogen in our bodies. This can cause a number of problems that include an increased risk of various cancers, early onset of puberty, thyroid issues, infertility and more.

    6. Glyphosate Linked To Birth Defects

    A group of scientists put together a comprehensive review of existing data that shows how European regulators have known that Monsanto’s glyphosate causes a number of birth malformations since at least 2002. Regulators misled the public about glyphosate’s safety, and in Germany the Federal Office for Consumer Protection and Food Safety told the European Commission that there was no evidence to suggest that glyphosate causes birth defects. (7)

    Our examination of the evidence leads us to the conclusion that the current approval of glyphosate and Roundup is deeply flawed and unreliable. In this report, we examine the industry studies and regulatory documents that led to the approval of glyphosate. We show that industry and regulators knew as long ago as the 1980s and 1990s that glyphosate causes malformation – but that this information was not made public. We demonstrate how EU regulators reasoned their way from clear evidence of glyphosate’s teratogenicity in industry’s own studies to a conclusion that minimized these findings in the EU Commission’s final review report (7)

    Here is a summary of the report:

    Multiple peer-reviewed scientific literature documenting serious health hazards posed by glyphosate
    Industry (including Monsanto) has known since the 1980′s that glyphosate causes malformations in experimental animals at high doses
    Industry has known since 1993 that these effects could also occur at lower and mid doses
    The German government has know n since at least 1998 that glyphosate causes malformations
    The EU Commission’s expert scientific review panel knew in 1999 that glyphosate causes malformations
    The EU Commission has known since 2002 that glyphosate causes malformations. This was the year DG SANCO division published its final review report, laying out the basis for the current approval of glyphosate

    Another study published by the American Chemical Society, from the university of Buenos Aires, Argentina also showed that Glyphosate can cause abnormalities.(8)

    The direct effect of glyphosate on early mechanisms of morphogenesis in vertebrate embryos opens concerns about the clinical findings from human offspring in populations exposed to glyphosate in agricultural fields (8)

    7. Study Links Glyphosate To Autism, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s

    When you ingest Glyphosate, you are in essence altering the chemistry of your body. It’s completely unnatural and the body doesn’t resonate with it. P450 (CYP) is the gene pathway disrupted when the body takes in Glyphosate. P450 creates enzymes that assist with the formation of molecules in cells, as well as breaking them down. CYP enzymes are abundant and have many important functions. They are responsible for detoxifying xenobiotics from the body, things like the various chemicals found in pesticides, drugs and carcinogens. Glyphosate inhibits the CYP enzymes. The CYP pathway is critical for normal, natural functioning of multiple biological systems within our bodies. Because humans that’ve been exposed to glyphosate have a drop in amino acid tryptophan levels, they do not have the necessary active signalling of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which is associated with weight gain, depression and Alzheimer’s disease. (9)

    8. Chronically Ill Humans Have Higher Glyphosate Levels Than Healthy Humans

    A new study out of Germany concludes that Glyphosate residue could reach humans and animals through feed and can be excreted in urine. It outlines how presence of glyphosate in urine and its accumulation in animal tissues is alarming even at low concentrations. (10)

    To this day, Monsanto continues to advertise its Roundup products as environmentally friendly and claims that neither animals nor humans are affected by this toxin. Environmentalists, veterinarians, medical doctors and scientists however, have raised increasing alarms about the danger of glyphosate in the animal and human food chain as well as the environment. The fact that glyphosate has been found in animals and humans is of great concern. In search for the causes of serious diseases amongst entire herds of animals in northern Germany, especially cattle, glyphosate has repeatedly been detected in the urine, feces, milk and feed of the animals. Even more alarming, glyphosate was detected in the urine of the farmers. (10)

    9. Studies Link GMO Animal Feed to Severe Stomach Inflammation and Enlarged Uteri in Pigs

    A study by scientist Judy Carman, PhD that was recently published in the peer reviewed journal Organic Systems outlines the effects of a diet mixed with GMO feed for pigs, and how it is a cause for concern when it comes to health. (11) Scientists randomized and fed isowean pigs either a mixed GM soy and GM corn (maize) diet for approximately 23 weeks (nothing out of the ordinary for most pigs in the United States), which is unfortunately the normal lifespan of a commercial pig from weaning to slaughter. Equal numbers of male and female pigs were present in each group. The GM diet was associated with gastric and uterine differences in pigs. GM pigs had uteri that were 25% heavier than non-GM fed pigs. GM-fed pigs had a higher rate of severe stomach inflammation with a rate of 32% compared to 125 of non-GM fed pigs.

    The study concluded that pigs fed a GMO diet exhibited a heavier uteri and a higher rate of severe stomach inflammation than pigs who weren’t fed a GMO diet. Because the use of GMO feed for livestock and humans is so widespread, this is definitely another cause for concern when it comes to GMO consumption. Humans have a similar gastrointestinal tract to pigs, and these GM crops are consumed widely by people, especially in the United States.

    10. GMO risk assessment is based on very little scientific evidence in the sense that the testing methods recommended are not adequate to ensure safety. (12)(13)(14)

    Deficiencies have been revealed numerous times with regards to testing GM foods.

    The first guidelines were originally designed to regulate the introduction of GM microbes and plants into the environment with no attention being paid to food safety concerns. However, they have been widely cited as adding authoritative scientific support to food safety assessment. Additionally, the Statement of Policy released by the Food and Drug Administration of the United States, presumptively recognizing the GM foods as GRAS (generally recognized as safe), was prepared while there were critical guidelines prepared by the International Life Sciences Institute Europe and FAO/WHO recommend that safety evaluation should be based on the concept of substantial equivalence, considering parameters such as molecular characterization, phenotypic characteristics, key nutrients, toxicants and allergens. Since 2003, official standards for food safety assessment have been published by the Codex Alimentarius Commission of FAO/WHO. Published reviews with around 25 peer-reviewed studies have found that despite the guidelines, the risk assessment of GM foods has not followed a defined prototype.(12) (15)

    “The risk assessment of genetically modified (GM) crops for human nutrition and health has not been systematic. Evaluations for each GM crop or trait have been conducted using different feeding periods, animal models and parameters. The most common results is that GM and conventional sources include similar nutritional performance and growth in animals. However, adverse microscopic and molecular effects of some GM foods in different organs or tissues have been reported. While there are currently no standardized methods to evaluate the safety of GM foods, attempts towards harmonization are on the way. More scientific effort is necessary in order to build confidence in the evaluation and acceptance of GM foods.” (12) (15)

    So, if anybody ever tells you that GMOs are completely safe for consumption, it’s not true. We just don’t know enough about them to make such a definitive statement. A lot of evidence actually points to the contrary.

    Sources:

    (1) https://www.uclm.es/Actividades/repo..._3721_4666.pdf

    (2) http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0069805

    (3) http://rt.com/usa/gmo-gluten-sensitivity-trigger-343/

    (4) http://responsibletechnology.org/med...uten_11_25.pdf

    (5) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...78691512005637

    (6) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170

    (7) http://earthopensource.org/files/pdf...hDefectsv5.pdf

    (8) http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx1001749

    (9) http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416

    (10) http://omicsonline.org/open-access/d...25.1000210.pdf

    (11) http://www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf

    (12) http://static.aboca.com/www.aboca.co..._nutrition.pdf

    (13) Reese W, Schubert D. Safety testing and regulation of genetically engineered foods. Biotechnol Genet Eng Rev. 2004;21:299–324

    (14) Schubert D. A different perspective on GM food. Nat Biotechnol. 2002;20:969–969.

    (15) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19146501

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    From reading this, I'm gathering corellation=/= causation in ever piece of scientific literature you posted.

    I'm not convinced that GMO foods are unhealthy, but I will agree that Monsanto is shady as F---. This lady is in it for control. She doesn't care about gun violence. If she did, she would take her fight to chicago.

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    I guess when does correlation=/= causation = fact? But in either case if you are truly unconvinced I would offer you the suggestion to become the test subject on the matter by you and your family to eat nothing but GMO's for the next year and give us a return report on on your health before and after the experiment. I on the other am not willing to go it a whirl as i am confident in my research as said before we also do not have enough information but the signs seems clear enough for me regarding eating GMO products. With that said my point was that this lady works for company shady and has no business battling over our 2A rights when she has worked for a proven wicked evil company like Monsanto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegadez View Post
    I guess when does correlation=/= causation = fact? But in either case if you are truly unconvinced I would offer you the suggestion to become the test subject on the matter by you and your family to eat nothing but GMO's for the next year and give us a return report on on your health before and after the experiment. I on the other am not willing to go it a whirl as i am confident in my research as said before we also do not have enough information but the signs seems clear enough for me regarding eating GMO products. With that said my point was that this lady works for company shady and has no business battling over our 2A rights when she has worked for a proven wicked evil company like Monsanto
    Correlation has never equaled causation. See here.

    That being said, I'm more concerned with the BS that Mom's Demand is pulling than this GMO stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegadez View Post
    I guess when does correlation=/= causation = fact? But in either case if you are truly unconvinced I would offer you the suggestion to become the test subject on the matter by you and your family to eat nothing but GMO's for the next year and give us a return report on on your health before and after the experiment. I on the other am not willing to go it a whirl as i am confident in my research as said before we also do not have enough information but the signs seems clear enough for me regarding eating GMO products. With that said my point was that this lady works for company shady and has no business battling over our 2A rights when she has worked for a proven wicked evil company like Monsanto
    I actually research this exact type of stuff for my on the grind.

    There is a lot of correlation done but there are SO many uncontrolled variables.

    Also, most of the literature is certainly not pointing to acute health risks from ingesting gmo's, rather, long term consequenses, rendering a year long anecdotal experiment unneeded.

    Not saying one way or another, but having worked in the health industry for quite some time, I find the truth usually in the middle of two extremes. As always, moderation in everything.

    Except gun Control

    Of course this lady shouldn't be representing anything trying to be ethical. Monsanto is the modern day monopoly.
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    Mother's Against ... Mom's Demand .... My mother and wife were recently discussing such groups and they noted that anytime you hear/read of an organization containing one of those it is always (to summarize) 1) anti-freedom/nanny-state 2) entirely emotional in all arguments 3) demanding of solutions that have no basis in scientific fact or reason and, finally 4) NOT representative of the vast majorities of US mothers

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    Watts is a PR specialist. Her sincere desire is to promote her as a heavy handed, influential woman.......notice, she vary rarely is using facts.....she using emotions, something many people can relate to...then she takes it to these companies and manipulates them into acting by restricting firearms....she uses the pictures of rednecks carry assault weapons into their store, dead bodies in photos of mass shootings to assist in influencing these execs how women across the country object to having the kiddos see these horrible sights....then the companies use these emotions/visualizations to make a policy decision. Panera emailed me back and said they wanted a safe, warm, family environment for the patrons; hence one of the reasons to prohibit firearms...however, here, the franchise owner has stated he will not post his stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    Panera emailed me back and said they wanted a safe, warm, family environment for the patrons; hence one of the reasons to prohibit firearms...however, here, the franchise owner has stated he will not post his stores.
    As I understand it (and I could be wrong), Panera isn't planning to post any stores. In Missouri or not. Basically they want to issue the statement to make the hippies happy, but they won't post their stores and (again, as I understand it) won't prohibit carry in the stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    As I understand it (and I could be wrong), Panera isn't planning to post any stores. In Missouri or not. Basically they want to issue the statement to make the hippies happy, but they won't post their stores and (again, as I understand it) won't prohibit carry in the stores.
    You are correct, they are not going to post the stores; however, if you show up OCing, they will ask you to leave and remove your firearm before returning into the store. I discussed this with one of the store general managers...they were instructed to ask the patrons to leave.

    Since their new policy has been in place, Einstein Bagels and local sandwich shops have reaped the benefits of their decision.
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    That all makes total sense. Obviously, an unattended loaded firearm in a vehicle in Panera's parking lot is far safer than the same firearm holstered on the hip of a customer.

    Seems a criminal could make a pretty good haul of firearms just by sitting outside these places and watching people who appear to be unholstering and then doing a smash and grab on the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    You are correct, they are not going to post the stores; however, if you show up OCing, they will ask you to leave and remove your firearm before returning into the store. I discussed this with one of the store general managers...they were instructed to ask the patrons to leave.
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    Seems a criminal could make a pretty good haul of firearms just by sitting outside these places and watching people who appear to be unholstering and then doing a smash and grab on the vehicle.
    Is there ANYTHING in Paneras that would make a person feel the need to disarm themselves, thus possibly becoming a victim, leaving their firearm in their vehicle, and patronize a business that denies you your right to protect YOURSELF ? They have that right its their business, use YOUR right and take your business elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richieg150 View Post
    Is there ANYTHING in Paneras that would make a person feel the need to disarm themselves, thus possibly becoming a victim, leaving their firearm in their vehicle, and patronize a business that denies you your right to protect YOURSELF ? They have that right its their business, use YOUR right and take your business elsewhere.
    Not really...I do like their bagels...but their quality seems to have gone down the last few years; making the other bagel joints more appealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    Not really...I do like their bagels...but their quality seems to have gone down the last few years; making the other bagel joints more appealing.

    Nothing makes me feel more secure and protect the being surrounded by Fo0Fo0 food and undefended patrons of a place that wishes to disarm me and the advertise that fact FIREARM FRREEE ZONE with every robbery comes a free bagel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    You are correct, they are not going to post the stores; however, if you show up OCing, they will ask you to leave and remove your firearm before returning into the store. I discussed this with one of the store general managers...they were instructed to ask the patrons to leave.

    Since their new policy has been in place, Einstein Bagels and local sandwich shops have reaped the benefits of their decision.
    Can you please post a cite as to something saying that they will ask you to leave? Here is an article about it and it states that they aren't going to put their associates in the position of confronting someone with a gun, which also matches what I saw on other sites regarding this when it first came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Can you please post a cite as to something saying that they will ask you to leave? Here is an article about it and it states that they aren't going to put their associates in the position of confronting someone with a gun, which also matches what I saw on other sites regarding this when it first came out.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...r-restaurants/

    Again Bad@ss Mommy's pressures them
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5784464.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Can you please post a cite as to something saying that they will ask you to leave? Here is an article about it and it states that they aren't going to put their associates in the position of confronting someone with a gun, which also matches what I saw on other sites regarding this when it first came out.
    No cite....it's from what I was told by local managers. The clerks are not to do it, it would be the shift manager/day manager/night manager/general manager. My info has been obtained through local stores. Could it be a local policy now? Maybe. The CNBC is the first I saw, in writing, they would not ask people to leave.
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    The Forbes quote links back to the same story that I linked where they said that they wouldn't be asking their people to confront armed guests. It doesn't say that they will have their employees asking armed people to leave and just seems to cherry pick from the quotes in the cnbc article.

    The Huffpo article does the exact same thing. Links to the cnbc article and then only uses a part of the quote from the Panera Bread release. Nothing says that they will have their employees ask armed individuals to leave.

    @Redbaron007 - I believe you in that the person you talked to said that they would ask people leave. But so far that goes against what corporate has put out and those two articles the previous person linked do nothing to counter my post (in fact they both link back to it and just leave out the rest of the quote). As I said, when this first came out I remember several articles with the full quote stating that they wouldn't ask people to leave.
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    Aknazer I vote you give it a whirl let us know how it goes at minium the CEO has stated to he does not want any firearms in his stores that is good enuff for me I need no other reason to never set foot in a panera again. So whether or not employees are to do the job of asking armed customers to leave does not matter to me. I thought you were asking to see a link were the ceo said hence the links i posted if thats not what you were asking i misunderstood no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    The Forbes quote links back to the same story that I linked where they said that they wouldn't be asking their people to confront armed guests. It doesn't say that they will have their employees asking armed people to leave and just seems to cherry pick from the quotes in the cnbc article.

    The Huffpo article does the exact same thing. Links to the cnbc article and then only uses a part of the quote from the Panera Bread release. Nothing says that they will have their employees ask armed individuals to leave.

    @Redbaron007 - I believe you in that the person you talked to said that they would ask people leave. But so far that goes against what corporate has put out and those two articles the previous person linked do nothing to counter my post (in fact they both link back to it and just leave out the rest of the quote). As I said, when this first came out I remember several articles with the full quote stating that they wouldn't ask people to leave.
    I understand you statement/concern and don't disagree. Like I said before, the CNBC article is the first time I had seen the CEO's comments stating they would refrain from confronting anyone toting. My conversations with local leadership were after this article. The stores in my area are franchise stores, not company stores. They may have taken the comments more literally; not sure what written direction they received or flexibility they have. My experience is strictly anecdotal, other than the email I sent, with the standard generic reply.

    I guess the burr in my saddle with them is they fell to the Mom Demanding Action fear-mongering with no prior incidents. I have done a lot of business (personally and professionally) with them over the years, while OCing, for them to succumb to the demands of a liberal group that does nothing for the USA, other than create an environment of socialism. But I'm beginning to not be surprised; rumors are interesting.

    Shaich's competition is Starbucks.....I guess he felt he had to follow their lead to stay/have favor with that crowd.
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    I don't do GMO foods. I know my local farmers for meat products and non-meat products have many alternative options available in my area.

    Why take the chance if there is a comparably priced good quality alternative available. Support your local farmer.
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    To this end, we ask that guns not be brought into this environment unless carried by an authorized law enforcement officer.


    Would this include both public and Private Attorney Generals?

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