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    To Much Food in the garbage?

    Hi Seattle Folks

    This is not OC related, however it is liberty related.

    I read on another site, that Seattle was trying to introduce an ordiance that would fine homeowners and business for simply disposing of to much food.

    The City planned on giving trash collectors the authority to cite folks for throwing away food, the fines could range from $1 to $50 depending on the weight of the food..

    I, living in NJ, the most non- liberty minded state in the country, was wondering if Seattle is trying to pass NJ as the most anti liberty state.

    SVG, please weigh in on this topic..

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    Seattle is a city, not a state.
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    LOL and liberty is a state of mind, not of being.

    Why not PM SVG?

    I had previously noted the subject on a more apropos forum. It is a good application of Kant's categorical imperative. Put most straightforwardly:

    Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.
    Where I live there is no room for a garbage dump and all garbage is supposed to be separated and shipped off the island - at community expense.
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    Truly a first-world problem. I would address it by encouraging trash producers to separate food waste from other trash and allow waste collectors to collect it, then separate out any "contaminants" and finally sell the food waste to manufacturers of animal feed. All costs of such operation to be borne by the waste collectors who receive compensation at the end of the process by selling the now-valuable recyclable.

    Participation in such a scheme should be voluntary for both private citizens and businesses.

    But all that makes too much sense.

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    I am a couple of hrs from Seattle, it is ridiculous in my opinion. They want to take out the component of rubbish that will help compost the rubbish?
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    Too much food in garbage bins

    http://www.seattle.gov/util/MyServic...ycle/index.htm

    Seattle OKs $1 fine for adding too much food to garbage bins
    http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...mpost1xml.html

    Google real time coverage - 142 articles ATM two days after the story broke
    https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...EoCWffFsVOEh8M
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    Well look, I work at a high end steakhouse downtown Seatthell. How on EARTH do you expect us to keep around and recycle half eaten dishes, steaks, or potatoes? What are we going to do with it? Break ALL of the Washington health codes by saving it and reusing it somehow? Sure they can charge the business perhaps, but that cost will jack up the prices of food, not affect our bottom line. But really what the heck do they propose we do about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FattyKrack View Post
    [ ... ] But really what the heck do they propose we do about it?
    Same as you do with your grease.
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    Those who passed the ordinance can come over and eat my wife's "cooking"....

    nanny state crap that they have authority to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Truly a first-world problem. I would address it by encouraging trash producers to separate food waste from other trash and allow waste collectors to collect it, then separate out any "contaminants" and finally sell the food waste to manufacturers of animal feed. All costs of such operation to be borne by the waste collectors who receive compensation at the end of the process by selling the now-valuable recyclable.

    Participation in such a scheme should be voluntary for both private citizens and businesses.

    But all that makes too much sense.

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    All the seat-belt laws I know of started as secondary offences ("You can't be stopped just for not wearing your seat-belt") all are now primary offences. A voluntary program WILL become mandatory over time as the processes are put in place, I give you CO2 reduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Same as you do with your grease.
    We have special black trashcans that are for organics only. When we dump it into their special bins in the alley, we have to dump from the bag, as to not include it.
    To be fair that doesn't mean it even happens. Servers' energy is used purely on brown nosing guests and not dropping food, so their capacity to put it all in the right can is non existant. Coupled with ex felon dishwashers who don't give a crap, and I guess here we are.

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    Seattle has me confused here. They say there is too much food waste in the trash and it produces too much methane gas as it decomposes which is why they are mandating that residents compost their food wastes on site instead of dumping it in the trash.

    Does a banana peel produce more or less methane gas when decomposing in the municipal landfill compost or when composted at a homeowners compost site?

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    Oh my. Dry cleaners - individual businesses - are fined for improper disposal of their cooked muck grease separators.

    In microcosm, here, we do not have a community sewage disposal system and our pumpers have to collect individual homeowners grease separators that will kill the central system. I use a holding tank that can be pumped for 20 or 30 years for the cost of a septic system.
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