Killed For Open Carry /// I'm Done

MikeTheGreek said:

Whao Whao, where did you see anything about this guy being a MOC Leader?

I've never even seen him post before or heard of him, and as a member of MOC myself, I highly doubt any of us...especially someone at the top would say crazy things like this about OC being counterproductive, etc. :banghead:

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Michigander said:

Didn't notice how many of us have picked up on the Pat vibe? Maybe there is a small chance we're wrong but the sock puppet trolling fits his sop perfectly, especially the almost enough caution to avoid being noticed, and claiming to know who pat is and claiming to have oc'd for years but not adamantly denying to be him when it is brought up.

A little computer knowledge and you can manage to troll any forum by hiding where you're at. He's done it for many years, and it's got him banned from a lot of forums, including this one. Nothing has ever stopped him from having a bunch of accounts, and I wonder if anything ever will.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...n-Open-Letter-to-CV67Pat-and-All-Who-Know-Him

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MikeTheGreek said:

Yeah, I haven't been around long enough to know who Pat it, but I read the post you linked to and it makes sense. It takes a special kind of pathetic to spend so much time trying to mess with people on the internet.

At least I feel better knowing this guy is just a troll!

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The Truth said:

Well honestly there's one person who thinks OP has a "Pat vibe" to it. There's no evidence that I can tell. This is so silly.

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Michigander said:

No there are numerous people, all who have been here for many years who suspect it, and I would guess many more who are staying quiet for any number of reasons.

He does have his own forum to use, moc's that is, and Facebook, with plenty of people to talk to. It would seem prudent and agreeable for him to do as he pleases there and to leave ocdo in peace.

I would welcome being wrong. It would be nice if Pat was operating within the rules, and I'd be happy enough if he just left this forum alone.

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The Truth said:

So basically, you believe Plan B is a member of MOC named "Pat" who is actually against gun rights, and uses his position to troll pro-gun internet forums under a different moniker every few months after he gets banned? And no one in real life who is a member of MOC can do anything about it?

This sounds ridiculous. Not saying I don't believe you...but it's a little difficult...

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Michigander said:

There is no question about his history of these things, only if he has now stopped, which puts in perspective the gravity of the fact moc members voted him into leadership.

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Plan B said:

**taps toe**

http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-...bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

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Michigander said:

What is your point or goal? Clearly antis are generally violent statists who see statist violence against dissidents as the muscle they keep via the evil that is democracy and paying taxes. Anyone who has been in this game as long as you or I and actually has made a habit of ocing knows that from experience, most often times from one of said violence loving punks calling the cops on us and then having all hell break loose.

You knew these things long ago. So what's with harping on it now?

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Plan B said:

The goal is the same as it has always been. To keep people safe.

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rightwinglibertarian said:

Can't shoot first and ask questions later either. Where are you suggesting the line is?


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J_dazzle23 said:

I highly doubt legally open carried handguns have caused more killings of the oc'er than prevented death due to a BG.

Let's see some stats. Honest request

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Plan B said:

I try to get people to carry guns for defense against harm,whether it be from a criminal in a hoodie, a suit, or costume jewelry. I do this to keep people I'll likely never meet again, safe. I promoted OC over CC because until recently, it is the best way to promote gun rights. It is also the most effective and efficient method of carry. I say until recently, because since the anti crowd has decided to OC in order to get policy in place and people in a tizzy. People are sick of it. So are businesses. And because the police force has devolved into such a militant little gang, that even state and federal legislative bodies are moving against them. People have called out for the execution of open carriers, publicly on forums, blogs and the like. Police have joked about it on their forums. The dramatic increase in police violence as of late has now left a bloody body in a department store for playing with a toy.

I can't recommend to someone to go out and do something that might get them hurt or killed like that. OC is no longer the safest way to carry. The people are sick of it, lawmakers dont care about your rights, and the police might exercise "officer safety".

Why do we have to have more OC deaths than BG deaths to be taken seriously??? I really can't take that question seriously. Except to illuminate it for everyone to see in a different light.

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J_dazzle23 said:

I think you are letting your fear get the. Best of you. First, I think the internet has a fantastic way of making us feel like something very rare Is commonplace. Violence against open carried handgun folks just doesn't happen irl hardly EVER. Just because someone says something on the internet doesn't mean it will happen irl.

Secondly, how police and legislation approaches it is, imo, clearly dependent on where you live. I've been in utah and montana, and Leo's and lawmakers alike have prove traditionally to be very 2nd amendment friendly.

Lastly, responsible citizens open carrying is one of the best ways to change public perception on the act of taking responsibility for your own safety.

Can you really tell me that you are suggesting people discontinue a constitutionally protected right based on what people say on Internet forums? Internet=/= real life.

There are 300 million people in this country.....I see it as spectacularly small odds that I'm gonna get Shot for carrying my glock 19 in a civil manner in walmart. Far more likely I will need it in self defense from a bg.

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Plan B said:

I try to get people to carry guns for defense against harm,whether it be from a criminal in a hoodie, a suit, or costume jewelry. I do this to keep people I'll likely never meet again, safe. I promoted OC over CC because until recently, it is the best way to promote gun rights. It is also the most effective and efficient method of carry. I say until recently, because since the anti crowd has decided to OC in order to get policy in place and people in a tizzy. People are sick of it. So are businesses. And because the police force has devolved into such a militant little gang, that even state and federal legislative bodies are moving against them. People have called out for the execution of open carriers, publicly on forums, blogs and the like. Police have joked about it on their forums. The dramatic increase in police violence as of late has now left a bloody body in a department store for playing with a toy.

I can't recommend to someone to go out and do something that might get them hurt or killed like that. OC is no longer the safest way to carry. The people are sick of it, lawmakers dont care about your rights, and the police might exercise "officer safety".

Why do we have to have more OC deaths than BG deaths to be taken seriously??? I really can't take that question seriously. Except to illuminate it for everyone to see in a different light.

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